(06-01-2014, 08:59 PM)PattiJT Wrote: As for how much of the info on these sites applies to the majority of the male members here, that is hard to discern. Honestly, I don't think that very many of us are going to take the time to read much of it. Even though there is a wealth of info that applies to all of us, whether we use herbs or drugs, whether we have a "little bit of GID", or are TG, or TS. Straight up, I will tell everyone how I feel about that. I think, that if you are in here, (and not just reading for entertainment), and are actively attempting to "modify, alter, or enhance" your physical or mental appearance to be more female, then you need to re-evaluate your admitted position. Call yourself what you will, but the average well-adjusted male individual just doesn't go around harboring a desire to grow breasts. Every damned one of us should probably be in therapy. I understand the worries, "mucho embarrassment, and dire personal consequences will result"!! Doesn't change the fact that we are still "different". So, we do what we do, either in secret, or with the approval of wives, but even then, it usually stays out of the public eye. Why?? Because we totally know that it's not "normal". Get over it. Just a little case of GID? Says who? Says we. Because we think it makes us more comfortable that we're low on the scale, just a "little abnormal" and not really transsexed?? And just why does that matter?? Nobody in here has more than a digital relationship with anyone else, so if you can't be honest in here, then why bother? If you feel that much guilt about what you are that you can't admit to total strangers just how you feel, then, well, I just don't know. Is it possible that some of us won't own up to our trans feelings because this is an "NBE" site, and we would be looked down on because we're more than just another red-blooded male that simply wants to have his own personal pair of "tits" to carry around? Sure, "I take it only for the mental benefits". That's like saying "I only buy Playboy to read the stories". Just be honest with yourself. And with the rest of us. I don't recall seeing anything in this site that said "transsexuals not welcome". In some respects, maybe "that young kid" is farther along and more honest about just who he is, than a lot of us "more mature" individuals are.
Sorry, this really wasn't the place for all this, but one thing led to another. Feel free to start a poll to find out how many think Patti has lost it. Good thing this isn't "survivor" and you can't vote me off "the island". I'll withhold my vote.
(07-01-2014, 03:37 AM)flamesabers Wrote: Speaking for myself, I don't think I've marginalized my atypical gender identity and such. I don't think I'm in self-denial when I say I don't consider myself to be a transsexual. My reasoning for this is I lack the desire or conviction to transition. Ironically enough, I was only a little older than TYK when I was seriously contemplating my gender identity and whether I was a transsexual. Ultimately I would come to the conclusion I hold today. Without a doubt, I consider myself transgender, but I don't think transitioning is the answer for me.
In to regards to the issue of outing myself to the public, I think I hold a neutral position. I don't wear a button or shirt that says "I'm transgendered," but I don't go to any lengths to conceal my absence of manliness for lack of a better term.
I would definitely appreciate feedback from you or anyone else regarding this topic.
(07-01-2014, 04:17 AM)PattiJT Wrote: Flame,
I just harangued everyone with another post on that thread before I saw this. Would you be so kind as to move it here if any of it warrants?
(07-01-2014, 04:12 AM)PattiJT Wrote: CK,
don't know if you misunderstood, but what I was attempting to say, was that some here explain their use of enhancement products as primarily, or solely, to ease their mental state. When the main reason, in reality, is to grow breasts, and feminize. But, to admit they want to grow breasts, to some, is just not an acceptable thing to confess. Face it, no one just wants breasts, it's usually more, and therefore to admit such, puts them in a position of admitting they are far more removed from the normality of society. I understand if you want to hide it from those close to you, but why the concern among those of us here? If you can't admit these feelings and desires to "digital acquaintances", then I don't see how you can ever really explain it to even yourself. That will not allow for self-understanding. I've seen those who say, "wow, I feel so much better about myself now with PM, too bad I might just grow boobs", then the same people will turn around and say, "turn loose the floodgates! I want all I can grow"!! Lack of consistency is ignored and accepted. If you have a position, stick with it. If you seriously don't know what you are, then say so, and don't just pick something that sounds good. Research, do some honest self-analysis, and try to figure it out, but don't just go along with the majority. And, if your position on any so-called scale evolves, by all means, let us know and explain it to us. One is not making a significant contribution to the discussion if the comments are just echoing previous comments because those previous comments were well received by the group. The conversation soon becomes stale and counterproductive, because not much new is being introduced. So, why not be honest about how you feel? Occasionally, someone is going to make a comment that seems so insignificant to them, but will cause a bunch of light bulbs to go off with other folks. That's progress. Maybe accidental progress, but still progress. And, CK, when I say you, I don't mean YOU. I'm generalizing, OK?
(07-01-2014, 05:38 AM)PattiJT Wrote: Flame, you said you consider yourself transgender. I'm glad to hear that. Up to this point, I can only recall you claiming to be autogynosomething or other. That, to me, is a positive change. I would like to ask, why can't we be transsexual if we don't want to transition? You know, there are many who say they are transsexual, but forego SRS. So, are they wrong, and they are actually a TG or are we wrong in assuming someone who doesn't want full transition is "only" a TG? Many TS present and live as women, but for a variety of reasons, they never have SRS. I am TG, but if certain conditions were met, I would probably be TS. So, does that make me still TG, or an unfulfilled TS? To me, it really doesn't matter, as I am still able to be largely content with what I am (whatever that is), and in knowing that I am continuing to pursue higher goals. I also take a modicum of satisfaction in the fact that my wife is quite confused about the exact terms as well. She could live with me as a woman, but not if I had my "boy parts) removed. But, then I wouldn't be a woman, right? It gets a little entertaining watching her try to rationalize it all. And it doesn't help when I just look at her and say, "what ever you say, dear"!
Glad to hear you're not an "autobot" anymore. Sarah will probably be glad to know you're a little closer to her category, too. That is, if she's finalized hers, yet.
(07-01-2014, 05:38 AM)PattiJT Wrote: Glad to hear you're not an "autobot" anymore. Sarah will probably be glad to know you're a little closer to her category, too. That is, if she's finalized hers, yet.
(07-01-2014, 05:59 AM)flamesabers Wrote: An Autobot? What's that? Transgender sounds better than androgynous? That never occurred to me.
On a final note, Sarah was bothered by my androgynous label? I feel I'm being a bit thick-headed by saying this, but why would she feel better knowing I'm closer to her category of gender identity?