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To illustrate Estrogen Receptors!

Estrogen receptors
Estrogen receptors are a group of proteins found inside cells. They are receptors that are activated by the hormone estrogen (17β-estradiol).[1] Two classes of estrogen receptor exist: ER, which is a member of the nuclear hormone family of intracellular receptors, and GPR30, which is a member of the rhodopsin-like family of G protein-coupled receptors. This article refers to the former (ER).
Once activated by estrogen, the ER is able to translocate into the nucleus and bind to DNA to regulate the activity of different genes (i.e. it is a DNA-binding transcription factor). However, it also has additional functions independent of DNA binding.[2]


Proteomics
There are two different forms of the estrogen receptor, usually referred to as α and β, each encoded by a separate gene (ESR1 and ESR2, respectively). Hormone-activated estrogen receptors form dimers, and, since the two forms are coexpressed in many cell types, the receptors may form ERα (αα) or ERβ (ββ) homodimers or ERαβ (αβ) heterodimers.[3] Estrogen receptor alpha and beta show significant overall sequence homology, and both are composed of five domains (listed from the N- to C-terminus; amino acid sequence numbers refer to human ER) : (A-F domain)

Distribution
Both ERs are widely expressed in different tissue types, however there are some notable differences in their expression patterns:[7]

The ERα is found in endometrium, breast cancer cells, ovarian stromal cells, and the hypothalamus.[8] In males, ERα protein is found in the epithelium of the efferent ducts.[9]

The expression of the ERβ protein has been documented in ovarian granulosa cells, kidney, brain, bone, heart,[10] lungs, intestinal mucosa, prostate, and endothelial cells.

The ERs are regarded to be cytoplasmic receptors in their unliganded state, but visualization research has shown that a fraction of the ERs resides in the nucleus.[11] The "ERα" primary transcript gives rise to several alternatively spliced variants of unknown function.[12]


Different ligands may differ in their affinity for alpha and beta isoforms of the estrogen receptor:
17-beta-estradiol binds equally well to both receptors
estrone, and raloxifene bind preferentially to the alpha receptor
estriol, and genistein to the beta receptor

Cancer
Estrogen receptors are over-expressed in around 70% of breast cancer cases, referred to as "ER-positive", and can be demonstrated in such tissues using immunohistochemistry. Two hypotheses have been proposed to explain why this causes tumorigenesis, and the available evidence suggests that both mechanisms contribute:
First, binding of estrogen to the ER stimulates proliferation of mammary cells, with the resulting increase in cell division and DNA replication, leading to mutations.
Second, estrogen metabolism produces genotoxic waste.
The result of both processes is disruption of cell cycle, apoptosis and DNA repair, and, therefore, tumour formation. ERα is certainly associated with more differentiated tumours, while evidence that ERβ is involved is controversial. Different versions of the ESR1 gene have been identified (with single-nucleotide polymorphisms) and are associated with different risks of developing breast cancer.[18]

Phytoestrogens such as quercetin can modulate estrogen receptor’s activities in such a way that it may prevent cancers including breasts, prostate, and colon all by promoting apoptosis.[29] Quercetin selectively binds to the estrogen receptor beta (ERβ).[30] This was tested in HeLa cells which were treated with a pure estrogen receptor antagonist which blocked both estradiol and quercetin from inducing the caspase-3 activation.[29] ERβ is expressed in the human colon and activates a specific signal transduction pathway that controls apoptosis in the colon and works by being activated by estradiol and more recently found to possibly be activated by quercetin.[29] Quercetin activates the ERβ along with the apoptotic cascade when caspase-3 is present by the phosphorylation of p38 kinase. In colon cancers and tumors ERβ and its pathway have been proven to be significantly decreased thus allowing the tumors to thrive.[31]


http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen_receptor
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I love it when you take the time to consolidate information this way, Lotus. Very useful. Thank you. Some day I may even come to understand the technicalities of NBE as you do. That's a tall order.

BTW, what is PG? A couple synapses aren't firing today! Rolleyes

CK Smile
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PG might be my bad, Clara. I sometimes use PG in reference to Progesterone cream.
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(25-01-2014, 11:13 PM)ClaraKay Wrote:  BTW, what is PG? A couple synapses aren't firing today!

I'm pretty sure it's PC-Progesterone Cream Smile

Thanks CK you're a doll Wink

Btw-I have something useful to add to the GID section, I'll find a place for it!
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(25-01-2014, 11:13 PM)ClaraKay Wrote:  I love it when you take the time to consolidate information this way, Lotus. Very useful. Thank you. Some day I may even come to understand the technicalities of NBE as you do. That's a tall order.

I really do have to apologize CK,

I thought everybody understood what the hell I was posting. I wish somebody would've said something about it, I'm such a dope. When I'm researching its like I'm 2-3 steps ahead and already thinking of the possibilities of what I've just read!, I can't quite explain it myself.

It was never my intention to overwhelm anybody, and if they don't bother to review what's been posted it kinda defeats the whole purpose why I'm doing it. It's not strictly for my benefit, mostly it's to provide a better understand how to maximize our NBE goals!

So by all means, please say something, like timeout maybe, I've got a question!, or if they would rather PM me and ask that's cool too!

Thanks again Clara! Wink

L~A
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Louts, darling, NO NO NO NO!!! You are FAR from a dope! You have the intelligence, background and understanding to gather, interpret and convey information to help those of us without those tools (and cognitive abilities - ME!-) to better understand the science of what we are doing. Speaking for me, you have challenged me to read more, learn more and be better informed about the interrelationships and effects of different herbs on the whole estrological (I just made up a word Cool ) balance, and their effects on breast growth.

Now, if you want to do a statistical analysis related to NBE, or discuss the ontology of male breast growth, I'm your girl Wink , but as far as the scientific part... I sit at your feet Master (or Mistress, whichever you prefer), you can just call me, "Grasshopper!" Tongue

Quite honestly, what I really want is for you to say, "try this, take one of these, two of these, one of these, and call me in the morning!" No, it's not because I am lazy, it is because it IS a little overwhelming for those of us who do not have the scientific bent that you and others like you do. (That said, no matter what you tell me, I AIN'T drinking the Kool-Aid! Unless, of course, it will help the girls grow into DDs Big Grin )

So, expect dumbassed questions from me, and probably a PM or two, because honestly when I read: "The ERs are regarded to be cytoplasmic receptors in their unliganded (WTF us "unliganded?") state, but visualization research has shown that a fraction of the ERs resides in the nucleus. The "ERα" primary transcript gives rise to several alternatively spliced variants of unknown function." My eyeballs roll around and come up TILT! Not to mention the smoke coming out of my ears and the shrinkage of whatever breast growth I achieved the last 48 hours. Big Grin

So, please LA, keep doing what you're doing, and you other brainiacs join in. Your assistance to those of us not predisposed to understanding things of a scientific nature is GREATLY appreciated!

And, Mistress Lotus, if you ever feel the need to punish me for being so thick headed, I will more than willingly submit! Blush

Hugs and tweaks!
Lisa
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ROFLMAO!!!!
Lisa, shame on you.... you made coffee come out of my nose.
Tee hee, I thought I was the only one struggling.Tongue
Lotus, honey, I concur, really I do. I am in awe of your ability to locate, process and make sense of the reams of info you dig up. You are a supremely important to this forum, and we dearly love (you and envy your delicious ta ta's, of course, too!).
But, as Lisa so nicely put it, some of us have trouble keeping up. Remember, honey...this girl is an actress...an artist...my last science class took place back in the middle ages some where when they were still teaching the value of enemas, bloodletting and purging (no, the OTHER kind...yecch)
Now, I am trying hard to keep up. I always follow your links and try to understand them but with better success sometimes than others. Some of the terminology presumes an understanding way beyond mine.
In a way, keeping up with this board is like going back to school (oooh, if only my hair was long enough for a ponytail...drat), only the syllabus has been broken up and scattered into a million places. Sometimes you (me) come across a bit out of 4th year Advanced Honors Level NBE long before you (me)have found all the bits that make up Freshman Intro to NBE, and it is way too soon to make sense of it. Those are the brain frying moments.
I just made my way all the way through Abidrews thread, reading much of it for the first time (even though I was a member then I was not regularly visiting or even trying to keep up with everything or everyone). Some of her stuff was daunting to me as well. Especially her incredible knowledge and insight into nutrition and diet...still trying to wrap my understanding around some of that, too.
And I am diligently ploughing through Isabelle's long, long thread. And Wahaika, not to mention Eve herself, or any of the other powerfully important contributors. Yes, my eyes are bleeding, Lotus! Big Grin LOL. (We should have an emoticon
for "gone totally crazy, don't you think?)
But every one of these expeditions provokes regular side trips into other areas in order to research comments made and so be able to continue following the original thread. Kinda like constantly having to look up words while you are reading, to the point where you are so fragmented you can't follow the original at all. It ain't as easy for some of us. And I am sure there are some who visit here who cannot follow the science at all. Of course, that doesn't matter. You keep ploughing on because you have to. Like they always taught us about acting Shakespeare...we had to know and understand exactly what we were saying, and perform it as it was intended, correctly, because even though a large part of the audience would not really get every tiny reference or follow every oblique allusion, it had to be there and correct for that one guy or gurl who DID get it.
No, I don't want you to even think about stopping, or slowing down, dear one. But none of us want to seem stupid so we may sometimes nod sagely in apparent agreement, while inside the more accurate look is that of a deer in the headlights. Tee hee. "I am not a real doctor but I play one on TV"...( Hee hee, and I have,too) but it qualified me for nothing but wearing a lab coat (and an occasional residual).
I never leave off reading a piece of research until I feel I at least have the gist in general, but, wow, some of the specifics are more than a little daunting, and I will admit to skipping over some bits. Have patience with us, dear. We are trying.RolleyesBig Grin
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Lisa, Sami, you gals are hilarious this morning. What are you on today?

I agree, though, Lotus, keep feeding us blockheads info. I'm happy to announce that I now know the difference between aromatase and 5-alpha reductase. I think. LOL. Shocked are you? You shouldn't be. I have trouble telling Kirk Douglas from Burt Lancaster or Henry Fonda from Jimmy Stewart! Now if that doesn't date me.... Big Grin

Clara Smile
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(26-01-2014, 03:06 PM)Samantha Rogers Wrote:  I just made my way all the way through Abidrews thread, reading much of it for the first time (even though I was a member then I was not regularly visiting or even trying to keep up with everything or everyone). Some of her stuff was daunting to me as well. Especially her incredible knowledge and insight into nutrition and diet...still trying to wrap my understanding around some of that, too.
And I am diligently ploughing through Isabelle's long, long thread. And Wahaika, not to mention Eve herself, or any of the other powerfully important contributors.

Suck up Tongue

(26-01-2014, 03:31 PM)ClaraKay Wrote:  Lisa, Sami, you gals are hilarious this morning. What are you on today?

I agree, though, Lotus, keep feeding us blockheads info. I'm happy to announce that I now know the difference between aromatase and 5-alpha reductase.

Show off Big Grin

Not sure about Sammi baby but for me, lack of sleep, too much caffeine, and PM!


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(26-01-2014, 03:31 PM)ClaraKay Wrote:  Lisa, Sami, you gals are hilarious this morning. What are you on today?

I agree, though, Lotus, keep feeding us blockheads info. I'm happy to announce that I now know the difference between aromatase and 5-alpha reductase. I think. LOL. Shocked are you? You shouldn't be. I have trouble telling Kirk Douglas from Burt Lancaster or Henry Fonda from Jimmy Stewart! Now if that doesn't date me.... Big Grin

Clara Smile

Ok, now pay attention... there will be a quiz....Burt Lancaster was taller, more straight up hero like and less potentially sleazy than Kirk Douglas, but his acting was also a lot more wooden. Hank Fonda spoke slowly with that distinctive prairie drawl while Jimmy stuttered a lot and really had a very hard "R" embedded in his speech, although they were both very sexy in their own right (Personally, Jimmy was always my fave!). There now.. does that clear things up?Tongue
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