[Zippy]

Since starting PM my hot flashes have stopped

If any of you guys have ever had hot flashes, They're no fun.

Anyway I've started a progress thread in the pictures section. After 3 weeks on PM I'm feeling much better than I was when I was on Testosterone therapy from my Endo.

My nipples are more alert and tingle a lot. My breast are starting to lift up and not so saggy. Some days they feel like they are just busting to get out of my skin. I'm going to keep on PM and see how big they will grow.

Zippy

[karen]

Hi Zip ...

That's Great News ....

Have you stopped your TRT completely? I on day 7 of PM today BUT I have been applying my Testim too. I was concerned about stopping the Testim cause of how crappy I felt BEFORE using it ...

Love to hear more ....

Karen

[Zippy]

Hi Zip ...

That's Great News ....

Have you stopped your TRT completely? I on day 7 of PM today BUT I have been applying my Testim too. I was concerned about stopping the Testim cause of how crappy I felt BEFORE using it ...

Love to hear more ....

Karen

I had to use some today. But for the most part I quit my TRT slowly before starting PM. Last night when I showered I used lavender oil soap. I should know better, And today I was exhausted and very weak. I used a little Testim and feeling much better.

Lavender oil will drop your testosterone also (At it does for me). Now it is going to take me a few days to get back on track.

I think that because my testosterone level is so low that I'm going to have to regulate it with Testim while taking PM.

Zippy

[karen]

Where was your Total T Level at pre-TRT? .... I was averaging in the mid to high 200's .... I was always depressed, very moody, tired all of the time, and sometimes had real bad temper outbursts ... threw the TV remote one time cause there was nothing good on TV ... I don't ever want to go back there.

Karen

[Zippy]

Where was your Total T Level at pre-TRT? .... I was averaging in the mid to high 200's .... I was always depressed, very moody, tired all of the time, and sometimes had real bad temper outbursts ... threw the TV remote one time cause there was nothing good on TV ... I don't ever want to go back there.

Karen

My pre-TRT was 115. When I got up in the morning I was exhausted. I also was oversleeping alot and felt wiped out all day.

Last night I used Life-Flo's Progesta-Care for men instead of Testim and today felt much better. I'll use it for a few days and see If I can stop the Testim completely.

Zippy

[Zippy]

Another thing I've noticed while taking PM is that my arthritis isn't hurting as much as it usually does. The pain has pretty much stopped.

Zippy

[flamesabers]

Another thing I've noticed while taking PM is that my arthritis isn't hurting as much as it usually does. The pain has pretty much stopped.

Zippy

That's good news.

I wasn't aware pm could have a positive effect on arthritis.

[Zippy]

Another thing I've noticed while taking PM is that my arthritis isn't hurting as much as it usually does. The pain has pretty much stopped.

Zippy

That's good news.

I wasn't aware pm could have a positive effect on arthritis.

I didn't know it would stop it either. But that is the only thing I've changed.

Zippy

[AbiDrew85]

I wasn't aware pm could have a positive effect on arthritis.

It makes a sort of sense though when you think about it. Arthritis is a skeletal disorder, and a change in the testosterone/estrogen balance could quite definitely effect it. Especially since arthritis tends to be caused by too much calcification, and estrogens tend to increase the rate of bone breakdown and re-absorption.

It's not QUITE the same thing, but they're definitely closely related enough that I wouldn't dismiss the relationship.

[chrishoney]

I wasn't aware pm could have a positive effect on arthritis.

It makes a sort of sense though when you think about it. Arthritis is a skeletal disorder, and a change in the testosterone/estrogen balance could quite definitely effect it.

Arthritis is more correctly thought of as the normal, natural repair process of articular cartilage, gone awry. It is not a problem of excess wear and tear, and in fact joint movement, especially weight bearing exercise promotes health of articular cartilage.

Especially since arthritis tends to be caused by too much calcification,

This statement is false. Arthritis is NOT caused by too much calcification. Periarticular exostoses (bone spurs) around a joint are NOT the result of excess calcification. Rather, they are the result of abnormal stimulation of bone which causes excess bone growth (google Wolff's Law), very likely from muscle and connective tissue imbalances that affect the joint.

Bone spurs are only one of the three hallmarks of osteoarthritis visible on plain-film x-rays and not even the most important finding. The other two are decreased joint space and subchondral cysts. Again, neither of these signs is caused by 'too much calcification.'

and estrogens tend to increase the rate of bone breakdown and re-absorption.

Estrogens DO affect bone health, but not in that way. Post-menopausal women used to be advised to start estrogen-based HRT to PRESERVE bone density. If estrogens promoted the breakdown and reabsorption of bone, then post-menopausal women would NOT be at higher risk for osteoporosis, which, in fact, they are. Estrogen generally helps to maintain bone density, not decrease it. Neither decreased nor increased bone density is a factor in the development of arthritis, nor is a diet high in calcium. Please do the research if you don't believe me.

All of this information is just a click or two away. Simply do a google search on "estrogen and bone mineral density" and/or "decreased bone density and osteoarthritis".

Hope this helps.