[transgender newbie]

i bought the whole set of natrueday's stuff : Natureday's Complete Package.

i am wondering if i finish the natureday's cream. can i buy the estrogen cream replace of natureday cream or not?

if i can buy it, i may buy this kind of cream :

http://www.vitaminlife.com/product-exec/...nQodZGAAJw

[AbiDrew85]

The ingredients are quite different and their methods of activity would likewise not be identical.

You could always try it... But you won't be doing the same thing as the Natureday cream.

That doesn't mean it won't work, just that it won't work identically.

[chrishoney]

The link you provided is for a cream made from a mix of pretty weak phytoestrogens. In my opinion, the only thing this is good for is separating you from a great deal of your hard earned cash.

[transgender newbie]

The link you provided is for a cream made from a mix of pretty weak phytoestrogens. In my opinion, the only thing this is good for is separating you from a great deal of your hard earned cash.

okay then what estrogen cream you prefer me to get?

[AbiDrew85]

From what I've seen... None of them are particularly good. Though there was someone who seemed to get results from Natureday. And there have been people who've gotten results from creams containing pueraria mirifica.

Me, I've taken to using PM topically, but I'm skipping the carrier cream and just putting drops of extract right directly on my nipples and rubbing it in.

[chrishoney]

I don't have any preference what so ever about which, if any, cream you use. You were asking what we thought about a specific product.

ALL OTC 'estrogen' creams are going to be pretty weak, but the one you linked to is one of the worst since it is made from very weak phytoestrogens. If you really feel the need to use a cream and want to go the phytoestrogen route, I would recommend a PM based cream.

If you want to go the bio-identical estrogen route, you can get OTC estriol creams. These supposedly contain USP estriol (E3), the weakest of the three naturally occurring estrogens in females. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estriol) Of particular note are the following quotes from that article:

Levels of estriol in non-pregnant women do not change much after menopause, and levels are not significantly different from levels in men.

Though estriol is used as part of the primarily North American phenomenon of bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, it is not approved for use by the FDA or Health Canada. Though initial research in the 1970s suggested it could be used therapeutically as an estrogen, subsequent research failed to confirm this hypothesis.[5][6]

The first entry would seem to imply that E3 is NOT involved with the ebb and flow of estrogen levels during normal menstrual cycles nor would it be important in development of female secondary sex characteristics. Thus, for our purposes it will be practically useless. The second entry would seem to imply that it is not even very useful for natal females as HRT following menopause which is the primary intent of the estriol based creams I have seen advertised. And again, not very useful for our purposes.

You can also think of it this way, all OTC bioidentical estriol creams are going to be so weak, the FDA feels no need to regulate their prescription and/or administration, in contrast to estradiol creams which do need a prescription since they are much more powerful. As a corollary to this line of reasoning, I sincerely hope the powers that be never figure out just how effective and powerful PM is!