Hi Y'all,
As I don't want to intrude on the current thread by kuzzy, I'll just start another one.
Been considering trying BO when PM ran out, and now it's gone. While I was researching here and elsewhere on BO, I came across an article, on the AARP website, about 10 medicines that contribute to dementia (alzheimers). Be patient, this is going somewhere. I discovered that I and my wife together are currently taking 3 of the noted medications. The article also offered tried and true alternatives to all noted meds. So, in order to locate some of the alternatives, I eventually hopped into the Swansons vitamins website. Additionally, found another one we'd been looking for, but couldn't find easily, so stopped looking. To replace the statins we take for cholesterol, I ordered an 8 month (should be long enough to see if they do the trick), supply of B-12, B-6, and folic acid. The extra one was Lions mane mushroom, proven by studies in S. Korea to be quite effective at staving off, and in some cases, improving dementia cases. Won't go into that anymore. Anyhoo, I found that BO was on special, 2 for the price of 1, (with a limit of 3 specials per each order). 2 bottles for $4.99 looked like a helluva deal. When I talked to the lady, she couldn't get the limit lifted. But, she managed to split up the total items into 3 separate orders, ($25 purchase minimum gets free shipping), so I was able to order 18 bottles. No, I'm not trying to sell them. (by the way, they have a 2for1 special on hops also).
Now for the questions. I'm committed to the BO, and have no nagging questions regarding using it. The question is what dosage? I have seen dosages here and elsewhere for 1-8 capsules/day. Worst case, a bottle of 60 would last just over 7 days. I told the very helpful lady at Swansons that I wanted 16. She thought I meant 16 bottles, and said I was already getting 18, but I explained to her that I wanted 16 orders, or 32 bottles. Reasoning being, worst case 1 bottle/week, to get 8 months would take 32 bottles. Insane? At 6 months to see results, why not order as much of BO as I did the other things? I'd be quite happy if dosage was less than that, but "be prepared"! Tomorrow, I'm going to order the lions mane, and toss another 3 orders of BO with it, or more, if I split up the lions mane order. So, the first question: what minimum dosage has anyone here gotten results with? Please be honest, I don't want to hear "I took 2/day for 7 days and started popping out all over. I know there are some here who've used it with varying success, and some of them are probably people who just hang around here without getting involved. If so, please contribute!
Next question. If BO is supposed to "aromatize" T into E, what happens if T levels are nearly non-existent? I know some here say don't take PM with BO, but have never seen proof, other than opinions, as to why one shouldn't do that. Especially if there's no T to aromatize. Would one then have to supply the T artificially? With my T level at 20-30, there's really nothing to work with. At this point, it seems to me that PM or hops would not be a problem, at a proper dosage, whatever that may prove to be. (I'd hate to explain to my doc why he's pumping me full of T, and my breasts are getting bigger!) Maybe my miniscule T would work, don't know.
Next question. Maybe last, for now. I don't come across an awful lot of people here remarking how PM has satisfactorily filled the rest of their bodies out, in addition to their breasts. Maybe other herbs added to a program help with this, but I don't want to be dipping into a dozen bottles of stuff every day, when I can keep it simple, and just use BO. I pretty well have the breasts I want (aren't we always willing to accept a little more?), and could now use some rounding out in other areas. If anyone has really experienced total filling out on PM, it would be nice to see photographic evidence. But all we seem concerned with is boob pics. I know, it is breast nexus after all, and not butt nexus. And, I've posted booby pics, too. Therefore, I'm assuming it doesn't happen all that much. I've been wrong before. Anyway, assuming PM doesn't give the total package, does that mean that possibly there are E receptors in other parts of our bodies that are not affected by PM? If so, would they be affected by so-called E-dominance that halts breast growth? If that were the case, then one could indeed take E with BO and be working on more areas of interest at the same time. I'm probably grasping at straws here with that question, but it is a curiousity of mine.
Hope to hear from folks with experience on this subject. I'm sure there's a lot of it out there. Take care, Patti
As I don't want to intrude on the current thread by kuzzy, I'll just start another one.
Been considering trying BO when PM ran out, and now it's gone. While I was researching here and elsewhere on BO, I came across an article, on the AARP website, about 10 medicines that contribute to dementia (alzheimers). Be patient, this is going somewhere. I discovered that I and my wife together are currently taking 3 of the noted medications. The article also offered tried and true alternatives to all noted meds. So, in order to locate some of the alternatives, I eventually hopped into the Swansons vitamins website. Additionally, found another one we'd been looking for, but couldn't find easily, so stopped looking. To replace the statins we take for cholesterol, I ordered an 8 month (should be long enough to see if they do the trick), supply of B-12, B-6, and folic acid. The extra one was Lions mane mushroom, proven by studies in S. Korea to be quite effective at staving off, and in some cases, improving dementia cases. Won't go into that anymore. Anyhoo, I found that BO was on special, 2 for the price of 1, (with a limit of 3 specials per each order). 2 bottles for $4.99 looked like a helluva deal. When I talked to the lady, she couldn't get the limit lifted. But, she managed to split up the total items into 3 separate orders, ($25 purchase minimum gets free shipping), so I was able to order 18 bottles. No, I'm not trying to sell them. (by the way, they have a 2for1 special on hops also).
Now for the questions. I'm committed to the BO, and have no nagging questions regarding using it. The question is what dosage? I have seen dosages here and elsewhere for 1-8 capsules/day. Worst case, a bottle of 60 would last just over 7 days. I told the very helpful lady at Swansons that I wanted 16. She thought I meant 16 bottles, and said I was already getting 18, but I explained to her that I wanted 16 orders, or 32 bottles. Reasoning being, worst case 1 bottle/week, to get 8 months would take 32 bottles. Insane? At 6 months to see results, why not order as much of BO as I did the other things? I'd be quite happy if dosage was less than that, but "be prepared"! Tomorrow, I'm going to order the lions mane, and toss another 3 orders of BO with it, or more, if I split up the lions mane order. So, the first question: what minimum dosage has anyone here gotten results with? Please be honest, I don't want to hear "I took 2/day for 7 days and started popping out all over. I know there are some here who've used it with varying success, and some of them are probably people who just hang around here without getting involved. If so, please contribute!
Next question. If BO is supposed to "aromatize" T into E, what happens if T levels are nearly non-existent? I know some here say don't take PM with BO, but have never seen proof, other than opinions, as to why one shouldn't do that. Especially if there's no T to aromatize. Would one then have to supply the T artificially? With my T level at 20-30, there's really nothing to work with. At this point, it seems to me that PM or hops would not be a problem, at a proper dosage, whatever that may prove to be. (I'd hate to explain to my doc why he's pumping me full of T, and my breasts are getting bigger!) Maybe my miniscule T would work, don't know.
Next question. Maybe last, for now. I don't come across an awful lot of people here remarking how PM has satisfactorily filled the rest of their bodies out, in addition to their breasts. Maybe other herbs added to a program help with this, but I don't want to be dipping into a dozen bottles of stuff every day, when I can keep it simple, and just use BO. I pretty well have the breasts I want (aren't we always willing to accept a little more?), and could now use some rounding out in other areas. If anyone has really experienced total filling out on PM, it would be nice to see photographic evidence. But all we seem concerned with is boob pics. I know, it is breast nexus after all, and not butt nexus. And, I've posted booby pics, too. Therefore, I'm assuming it doesn't happen all that much. I've been wrong before. Anyway, assuming PM doesn't give the total package, does that mean that possibly there are E receptors in other parts of our bodies that are not affected by PM? If so, would they be affected by so-called E-dominance that halts breast growth? If that were the case, then one could indeed take E with BO and be working on more areas of interest at the same time. I'm probably grasping at straws here with that question, but it is a curiousity of mine.
Hope to hear from folks with experience on this subject. I'm sure there's a lot of it out there. Take care, Patti
Patti,
I'm not sure what a good baseline dose would be for BO. Considering how potent I've heard BO is and in the interest of not having to continually buy more BO, perhaps sticking with 2 capsules for a while would be a good start?
As for whether to combine BO and pm, my thoughts are more on trying to keep one's NBE regime as simple as possible rather than decisive evidence on how these two herbs may interact. If you want, I say give it a shot and see what happens.
I'm willing to take a butt picture if you want. The one issue though is I don't have any other pictures to compare it to. If you're still interested, let me know.
I'm not sure what a good baseline dose would be for BO. Considering how potent I've heard BO is and in the interest of not having to continually buy more BO, perhaps sticking with 2 capsules for a while would be a good start?
As for whether to combine BO and pm, my thoughts are more on trying to keep one's NBE regime as simple as possible rather than decisive evidence on how these two herbs may interact. If you want, I say give it a shot and see what happens.
I'm willing to take a butt picture if you want. The one issue though is I don't have any other pictures to compare it to. If you're still interested, let me know.
(19-09-2013, 12:59 PM)flamesabers Wrote: Patti,
I'm not sure what a good baseline dose would be for BO. Considering how potent I've heard BO is and in the interest of not having to continually buy more BO, perhaps sticking with 2 capsules for a while would be a good start?
As for whether to combine BO and pm, my thoughts are more on trying to keep one's NBE regime as simple as possible rather than decisive evidence on how these two herbs may interact. If you want, I say give it a shot and see what happens.
I'm willing to take a butt picture if you want. The one issue though is I don't have any other pictures to compare it to. If you're still interested, let me know.
2 capsules of Swanson's would assuredly be useless in a remotely male body...
Actually I think that claim about BO aromatising T to E is bogus. There's absolutely no theoretical basis for it in any kind of scientific examination.
Whatever BO actually does, at least in my body I actually wound up with a rise in my T levels from my trial of Swanson's BO...
When I tried it I believe I was taking twelve capsules a day of Swanson's BO. And I would suggest starting there. Their capsules actually contains less BO than either BB or UB.
Hey Patti,
About a month ago while researching BO I found a website called Mustgrowbreasts.com,somebody posted the link yesterday.It state's the changes are permanent past the 6 month mark,Meaning or (suggesting) that you'll be losing the possibility of having erection's or kid's,considering if that's important for ya?
It's recommended that a detox is in order to clear out the liver of all excess hormones before starting BO.(I'd like to discuss this later on another thread)l
Your body temp has to be above 98.2 degree's,otherwise your liver doesn't manufacture enough enzymes to covert your thyroid hormones from T4 to T3,which is a required part of the growth process,so adding BO will not have the desired effect on your body,adding Kelp or L-tyrosine can help with proper body temp's.(also ginger tea was suggested)
Doing massage is very beneficial to NBE,it release's blood flow and hormone's ,Zormad has a great massage on her post called,Awesome massage for under developed breast's.
Get plenty of protein in your diet,it's suggested that you can add protein shakes(whey is suitable) In that way you can see how much your adding,you can find protein calculator's online to figure how much you need, mine was 87 grams
Other side effect's:
Acne (didn't get it)
Weight gain (did for me)
Increased hair- regrowth (I noticed more myself)
Allergic reaction's ? *
Headache (more like mind blowing migraines)
So they also say NOT to add phytoestrogens into the mix,it will interfere with the hormones,but like most I thought that it didn't apply to me.I took my normal routine thinking I wanted a little more like yourself.Also not to add any breast cream's that might contain hormones as well.They suggest a non-hormonal cream containing Volufiline.Well I didn't,I still used PC,not sure but I could have had an overload there.
With my short experience,2 week's on BO ended badly,after having MULTIPLE HEALTH ISSUE'S,I've stopped my NBE plan (haven't shared a plan)until they all get solved.Although it's stated that the male body will begin to produce high estrogen level's and lower your testosterone like a genetic female,even after you discontinue usage!....that seems a bit puzzling!,Abi doubt's that claim as well.
* I developed what I thought was the start of a tooth abscess while taking BO,I reported on my picture thread the side of my face swelled up and was in terrible pain.Luckily I had a refill of antibiotic's which took care of it for now,waiting to see if it comes back.Just seemed to be a bit strange that this happened right after adding BO?(had a complete blood work up done and are waiting for the result's).
I hope this helped in some way for you,but just curious why you decided to get a big supply before trying it first.I'm a boomer as well,so I can relate not coming from the Internet age, so thing's might affect us differently as you know,so please take care with this.
P.S sorry for being long,So that's a least what I've read,if it's not all correct,let me know!.....Lotus
About a month ago while researching BO I found a website called Mustgrowbreasts.com,somebody posted the link yesterday.It state's the changes are permanent past the 6 month mark,Meaning or (suggesting) that you'll be losing the possibility of having erection's or kid's,considering if that's important for ya?
It's recommended that a detox is in order to clear out the liver of all excess hormones before starting BO.(I'd like to discuss this later on another thread)l
Your body temp has to be above 98.2 degree's,otherwise your liver doesn't manufacture enough enzymes to covert your thyroid hormones from T4 to T3,which is a required part of the growth process,so adding BO will not have the desired effect on your body,adding Kelp or L-tyrosine can help with proper body temp's.(also ginger tea was suggested)
Doing massage is very beneficial to NBE,it release's blood flow and hormone's ,Zormad has a great massage on her post called,Awesome massage for under developed breast's.
Get plenty of protein in your diet,it's suggested that you can add protein shakes(whey is suitable) In that way you can see how much your adding,you can find protein calculator's online to figure how much you need, mine was 87 grams
Other side effect's:
Acne (didn't get it)
Weight gain (did for me)
Increased hair- regrowth (I noticed more myself)
Allergic reaction's ? *
Headache (more like mind blowing migraines)
So they also say NOT to add phytoestrogens into the mix,it will interfere with the hormones,but like most I thought that it didn't apply to me.I took my normal routine thinking I wanted a little more like yourself.Also not to add any breast cream's that might contain hormones as well.They suggest a non-hormonal cream containing Volufiline.Well I didn't,I still used PC,not sure but I could have had an overload there.
With my short experience,2 week's on BO ended badly,after having MULTIPLE HEALTH ISSUE'S,I've stopped my NBE plan (haven't shared a plan)until they all get solved.Although it's stated that the male body will begin to produce high estrogen level's and lower your testosterone like a genetic female,even after you discontinue usage!....that seems a bit puzzling!,Abi doubt's that claim as well.
* I developed what I thought was the start of a tooth abscess while taking BO,I reported on my picture thread the side of my face swelled up and was in terrible pain.Luckily I had a refill of antibiotic's which took care of it for now,waiting to see if it comes back.Just seemed to be a bit strange that this happened right after adding BO?(had a complete blood work up done and are waiting for the result's).
I hope this helped in some way for you,but just curious why you decided to get a big supply before trying it first.I'm a boomer as well,so I can relate not coming from the Internet age, so thing's might affect us differently as you know,so please take care with this.
P.S sorry for being long,So that's a least what I've read,if it's not all correct,let me know!.....Lotus
This post was last modified: 20-09-2013, 05:19 AM by Lotus.
Lotus,
The reason for trying to order so much, was purely for economic reasons. they had a bogo sale on at the time, and as we were ordering some other things, and trying to get them for an 8 month supply, it made sense to get an 8 month supply of BO as well, for half what it would normally cost. Got close, but got wrapped up in other things, and forgot to order quite enough. Hope they will have another sale before I run out of the 20 bottles I did get. More on this in the decision point thread in the pics section. Patti
The reason for trying to order so much, was purely for economic reasons. they had a bogo sale on at the time, and as we were ordering some other things, and trying to get them for an 8 month supply, it made sense to get an 8 month supply of BO as well, for half what it would normally cost. Got close, but got wrapped up in other things, and forgot to order quite enough. Hope they will have another sale before I run out of the 20 bottles I did get. More on this in the decision point thread in the pics section. Patti
Thanks for the thread,
Sorry for the long winded and confusing post from a few months ago!,please let me know if you discover another BOGO deal.
My interest in your results are from me starting another trail of BO again..yup!,it's like you've come this far why not go a little further,It may be a careless choice but time will tell on that I suppose!
So far,not having all the problems from before,fingers crossed on that.I can't forget that Abi said she was taking 10 or 12 per day right?,currently on 3-4 but will put an updated plan up asap.What kind of results have you had and any observations would be nice!
Thanks lotus
Sorry for the long winded and confusing post from a few months ago!,please let me know if you discover another BOGO deal.
My interest in your results are from me starting another trail of BO again..yup!,it's like you've come this far why not go a little further,It may be a careless choice but time will tell on that I suppose!
So far,not having all the problems from before,fingers crossed on that.I can't forget that Abi said she was taking 10 or 12 per day right?,currently on 3-4 but will put an updated plan up asap.What kind of results have you had and any observations would be nice!
Thanks lotus
(08-11-2013, 07:24 PM)Lotus_4(.)(.) Wrote: Thanks for the thread,
Sorry for the long winded and confusing post from a few months ago!,please let me know if you discover another BOGO deal.
My interest in your results are from me starting another trail of BO again..yup!,it's like you've come this far why not go a little further,It may be a careless choice but time will tell on that I suppose!
So far,not having all the problems from before,fingers crossed on that.I can't forget that Abi said she was taking 10 or 12 per day right?,currently on 3-4 but will put an updated plan up asap.What kind of results have you had and any observations would be nice!
Thanks lotus
Hey flame,how bout that butt shot?
are you still up for that!...Yes,I'll put my big ass up if I can fit it in the shot.When I update my plan I'll throw in other pics,unfortunately I dumped all my other pics when I left (sorry) and have none to compare anymore.(So starting from the beginning)
This post was last modified: 08-11-2013, 07:54 PM by Lotus.
I am just starting out, so no expert but I have many of the same concerns voiced here by others. I started the Purafem system today! Do I need to learn a secret handshake now? 
But serious, I am not looking for just boobs. I want a body with some curves, the re-wiring I have seen others mention here and better hair, nail, and skin. I cannot figure out if I can obtain those goals on just PM. I also need a KISS (keep it simple stupid) type routine because I already have meds I take and don't want to add more unless I have to. I also was thinking about switching to BO but had some concerns about the effect on function. Can I take a dose that is both beneficial but not completely give me ED. If it would give me ED, could it be rectified by Cialis or Viagra? I have 6 month of PM for now, at least at the dosage marked on the bottles. So, I have some time to decided.
But serious, I am not looking for just boobs. I want a body with some curves, the re-wiring I have seen others mention here and better hair, nail, and skin. I cannot figure out if I can obtain those goals on just PM. I also need a KISS (keep it simple stupid) type routine because I already have meds I take and don't want to add more unless I have to. I also was thinking about switching to BO but had some concerns about the effect on function. Can I take a dose that is both beneficial but not completely give me ED. If it would give me ED, could it be rectified by Cialis or Viagra? I have 6 month of PM for now, at least at the dosage marked on the bottles. So, I have some time to decided.
Lotus,
Just posted more in my thread in the pics section. I won't belabor the point here by repeating what I said there.
Yearning,
Not to be critical, but I will be somewhat blunt. You seem to need to make a decision as to just what it is you want. You're not gonna get it all, girl. You want the femme body? you're little "hanger-on" is gonna pay the price. It may take a while, but it's going to go down in functionality, and quite possibly in potency. I'm 62. doesn't bother me, but it does seem to be an issue to you. I'd advise you to resolve this little issue shortly. don't save it for later. It may be such a thing as you try it for a while, then re-evaluate. But, if you do, and then decide to continue, it will happen. So, factor that into what you're doing. This is not a game, and there will be hidden consequences. Think it through, then make your choice. Best of luck, Patti
Just posted more in my thread in the pics section. I won't belabor the point here by repeating what I said there.
Yearning,
Not to be critical, but I will be somewhat blunt. You seem to need to make a decision as to just what it is you want. You're not gonna get it all, girl. You want the femme body? you're little "hanger-on" is gonna pay the price. It may take a while, but it's going to go down in functionality, and quite possibly in potency. I'm 62. doesn't bother me, but it does seem to be an issue to you. I'd advise you to resolve this little issue shortly. don't save it for later. It may be such a thing as you try it for a while, then re-evaluate. But, if you do, and then decide to continue, it will happen. So, factor that into what you're doing. This is not a game, and there will be hidden consequences. Think it through, then make your choice. Best of luck, Patti
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