[Miranda-nata-est]

I am not sure if this is in the right section but will ask anyway .....

Spearmint tea seams inordinately expensive here in the UK. Given that spearmint grows very freely, I was thinking about growing it at home.

Has anyone done this please and what to I need to know about varieties, picking/drying etc.

Does home grown produce a product with as much anti T effect as commercial teas?

Can we just eat the leaves and will it still have anti-T effects or does it need to be mashed to release the chemicals?


Just a few questions - sorry.

M x.

[Heather-H]

Hi, Miranda,

I agree with you that spearmint tea is very expensive here in the UK, I have resorted to a form of bulk buying to keep the cost down. Most of our supermarkets sell Mint & Spearmint which is no way as beneficial

I already grow a huge tub of mint and according to some horticultural links growing Spearmint is just as easy.

As to the consumption, you can dry them and make tea and even consume them as part of a salad. I have read that one NBE member actually chews them raw. Your $64K question I cannot answer as to whether they will release the necessary benefits we are looking for with regard to 'T' reduction.

This is very presumptuous of me but if anyone knows the answer on this forum Mistress-Lotus will do, I feel sure she must have been a chemist in her former life or is a professor in this one.

I will be reading the replies with great interest.

Good luck

Hugs
Heather

[Scotti]

I don't have the answers either, but I fully intend to plant it this weekend when the herb garden goes in next to the vegetable garden! Personally I would think every little bit helps, but for my NBE I've switched to spearmint capsules just for the ease of taking, though I still have an occasional spearmint/licorice tea!

[Lotus]

Hi, Miranda,

I agree with you that spearmint tea is very expensive here in the UK, I have resorted to a form of bulk buying to keep the cost down. Most of our supermarkets sell Mint & Spearmint which is no way as beneficial

I already grow a huge tub of mint and according to some horticultural links growing Spearmint is just as easy.

As to the consumption, you can dry them and make tea and even consume them as part of a salad. I have read that one NBE member actually chews them raw. Your $64K question I cannot answer as to whether they will release the necessary benefits we are looking for with regard to 'T' reduction.

This is very presumptuous of me but if anyone knows the answer on this forum Mistress-Lotus will do, I feel sure she must have been a chemist in her former life or is a professor in this one.

I will be reading the replies with great interest.

Good luck

Hugs
Heather

I just stumbled on your post HH, which btw I read all your posts (I love your compassion) On spearmint:

Spearmint-anti-androgenic properties reduce the level of free testosterone in the blood, while leaving total testosterone and DHEAS unaffected.

I'm not drinking much spearmint tea these days, I should update the program but I drink white peony tea. My thoughts are trying to leap frog so speak over Free T and prevent DHT, yeah I know crazy, right?

Here's why, what's the basis of E in bio-males?, E is made from our T. Bio-active T is what really matters for NBE, this means that the 2% of FREE T floating around will get converted to DHT at some point. Why waste it, white peony should offer more of a benefit then any other tea currently in our arsenal.


White Peony--Estrogenic, blocks 5ar and pro-aromatase -
A compound found in white peony inhibits the production of testosterone and promotes the activity of aromatase, which converts testosterone into estrogen.

The Aromatase Enzyme exists to keep our bodies in homeostasis, which is constantly trying to change it.

Oh, I should say SP is completely counter productive imo, it has anti-estrogen properties. Did anybody see Chrishoney's post on SP? http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=10318 Post #10

Sorry Miranda,

Didn't mean to stink up your nice thread, spearmint is still a good option.

[Miranda-nata-est]

Hi Lotus,


I used to think I was a scientist......


what are we saying then - spearmint is likely not as effective as white peony for specific anti-androgenous purposes..or as a whole purpose nuke.

I just want to ensure my hair doesn’t start to recede - until the last few years (since NBE actually) my hairline has been pretty much static albeit receding slightly. Since BE I think my hairline has receded and my hair has thinned - I would like to arrest this process if possible!!! ..

I thought spearmint as an Anti would possibly help.

M x

[Lotus]

Hi Lotus,


I used to think I was a scientist......


what are we saying then - spearmint is likely not as effective as white peony for specific anti-androgenous purposes..or as a whole purpose nuke.

I just want to ensure my hair doesn’t start to recede - until the last few years (since NBE actually) my hairline has been pretty much static albeit receding slightly. Since BE I think my hairline has receded and my hair has thinned - I would like to arrest this process if possible!!! ..

I thought spearmint as an Anti would possibly help.

M x

Oh believe me I want to keep my hair line too!. That's why trying to prevent DHT from latching on to those poor little follicles would be advantageous on our part.


Poor reference on the whole leap frogging perhaps, but the principle while still only a theory at this point would make sense, at least imo.

If I go into specifics I don't want to loose anybody along the way explaining it. But bottom line if we're to use a nuke as an option, think of White Peony as a separation of a warhead already launched in space if that makes any sense.

[Heather-H]

Lotus,

Thanks for your kind words, I have just read Chrishoney's post on SP. This explains a lot for me and I may rethink the future of it in my program.

Your posts are so informative and detailed in equal measure, the problem I have is assimilating it in my limited brain. Lol. I sometimes print them out for a second or third reading in order to acquire the knowledge.

I take my hat off to you.

Hugs
Heather

[EvaMarie]

Everything Ive read about spearmint or mint is that it is a very invasive plant that will take over the garden...

Im planning on planting some mint around the outside of my house this year... Its supposed to keep the field mice away

Ive been looking for spearmint seeds or cuttings but all I can find is "mint"

Even then Im not sure how you would make a tea or whatever, I guess you could just munch on it Id think but I donno

[peggy]

Good info Lotus.

So would you say White Peony is more effective than Licorice? Both are pro-aromatase herbs, right?

[Lotus]

Lotus,

Thanks for your kind words, I have just read Chrishoney's post on SP. This explains a lot for me and I may rethink the future of it in my program.

Your posts are so informative and detailed in equal measure, the problem I have is assimilating it in my limited brain. Lol. I sometimes print them out for a second or third reading in order to acquire the knowledge.

I take my hat off to you.

Hugs
Heather

Thanks HH and lol, don't worry I have to go back and re-read things I've posted too!. I think I need to point out a couple things, first I want to go after the T that's available (aka free testosterone) before it gets converted to DHT. Remember, Free T is roughly 2%, and has been reported at 5-7% too. But the 2% is generally what I've seen reported.

Back to the 2%, and this gets complicated (apologies) there's a way to find out how much actual Free T we have but they no longer use this method. It's called Free Androgen Index or FAI, basically

Free Androgen Index or FAI is a ratio used to determine abnormal androgen status in humans. The ratio is the total testosterone level divided by the sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) level, and then multiplying by a constant, usually 100. The concentrations of testosterone and SHBG are normally measured in nanomols per liter. FAI has no units.

I should finish this in the Testosterone 101 thread because I'm getting to far ahead of myself and don't want to hijack the thread.

Bottom line: I'm suggesting to concentrate on the Free T and converting that into E. Spearmint reduces the level of Free T in the blood and leaves DHEA levels (cortisol) unaffected, which is good btw. Higher cortisol means more belly fat.

To be continued......