[Katniss]

I've been taking PM for about two and a half years. My breasts are growing nicely. I enjoy the pain and swelling. I buy the bulk powder and i make my own pills. I fill 000 jell caps. I'm taking two in the morning and two at night befor bed. That's about eight of the regular size pills.

We'll on to my problem.

I noticed that I have had no sex drive at all. I don't get turned on at all. Male or female porn does nothing. I've had no erections either. So I decided to check my testicals. They have really shrunk. They're about the size of almonds. I'm a little worried.

I'm hoping to get some advice.

Or have I gone to far for to long.

[GoneGirl]

I've been taking PM for about two and a half years. My breasts are growing nicely. I enjoy the pain and swelling. I buy the bulk powder and i make my own pills. I fill 000 jell caps. I'm taking two in the morning and two at night befor bed. That's about eight of the regular size pills.

We'll on to my problem.

I noticed that I have had no sex drive at all. I don't get turned on at all. Male or female porn does nothing. I've had no erections either. So I decided to check my testicals. They have really shrunk. They're about the size of almonds. I'm a little worried.

I'm hoping to get some advice.

Or have I gone to far for to long.

Yes, two and one half years on estrogen is going to affect your testicles. Are you worried about not being able to father a child? If so, it's a valid concern. You might want to consider discontinuing NBE for several months to see if your sperm production recovers. It probably will, but I wouldn't count on it.

Good luck,

Clara

[Dynseli]

This isn't my area. You should stop, at least for now. Atrophy is a risk for cancer. Eat a lot of eggs, with their yolks. Also eat certain androgenic herbs. Huanarpo macho (Jatropha) is supposed to help. Velvet bean, coffee and rhiodolia might help, but test these first. Do a check if particular plant species are safe for your condition. This might set your goal back, but that is less important than cancer.

Especially avoid red clover, because it shrinks testies. In fact never take red clover.

At least for now avoid: mints, white peony, and other estrogenic herbs

[GoneGirl]

Atrophy is a risk for cancer.

Do you mean testicular cancer? Why do you say this? Please reference a source to back this statement up. There are plenty of young, pre-op transwomen, who experience testicle atrophy and don't contract testicular cancer. It's a very rare form of cancer.

Clara

[Dynseli]

I meant for testicular cancer. I don't have a source for this. Don't weaker organs and less blood flow allow a risk for cancer to start up there? A pre-op transwoman really doesn't have to worry about testicular cancer, because they plan on losing those anyways, and it might not be enough time for a potential cancer to develop there.

[Lotus]

This isn't my area. You should stop, at least for now. Atrophy is a risk for cancer. Eat a lot of eggs, with their yolks. Also eat certain androgenic herbs. Huanarpo macho (Jatropha) is supposed to help. Velvet bean, coffee and rhiodolia might help, but test these first. Do a check if particular plant species are safe for your condition. This might set your goal back, but that is less important than cancer.

Especially avoid red clover, because it shrinks testies. In fact never take red clover.

At least for now avoid: mints, white peony, and other estrogenic herbs

Lovely,

Other factors shrink testes and cause atrophy, i.e. Synthetic steroids, excessive masturbation or ridiculous (massive) sexual intercourse can lead to exhaust the adrenal gland, STD's, even wearing tight underwear causes constriction of blood flow can affect the health of the testes.

I would suggest more sourced studies if you want people to listen to your opinions.


Bust Quest-there are certain things you can try, massaging the testes (increases sperm count), MSM, Diet, exercise, 6-8 glasses of water daily to name a few.

[Dynseli]

I've sourced red clover causing reduced ovaries and testies size leading to sterility a lot of times here.

[Lotus]

I've sourced red clover causing reduced ovaries and testies size leading to sterility a lot of times here.

You mean this?
Dietary red clover (Trifolium pratense) induces oviduct growth and decreases ovary and testes growth in Japanese quail chicks
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2858001/

Do you have sourced material on humans?

[Dynseli]

red clover sterility - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3963458/. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2858001/

The table for mints, spearmint having its effects on which hormones, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693613/table/tbl2680/?report=objectonly , Lotus has seen this one.

The thing about atrophy and cancer is my belief, its unsourced.

[Lotus]

red clover sterility - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3963458/. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2858001/


The table for mints, spearmint having its effects on which hormones, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693613/table/tbl2680/?report=objectonly , Lotus has seen this one.

The thing about atrophy and cancer is my belief, its unsourced.

The recognition of ‘clover disease’ in Australian sheep in the 1940s led to the investigation of oestrogenic activity of isoflavones. The sheep whose diet was predominately subterranean clover (Trifolium subterraneum L., Fabaceae) suffered from a reproductive disorder that reduced the lambing rates and involved abnormal lactation, changes in the sex organs, and permanent infertility [30, 31]. Indeed, the phytoestrogens are present in green clover and are not present at senescence.

Lol, yes Lotus saw the sidebar #3.

Look, I don't disagree that certain supplements can affect libidos or cause shrinkage.

On RED CLOVER, this is what I've come up with most times I've researched it.

Prostate gland symptoms (such as increased nighttime urination) in men. Research suggests that red clover supplements might improve symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). It seems to decrease nighttime urination and improve the quality of life in men with BPH. But, red clover doesn’t seem to affect urine flow rate, prostatic-specific antigen (PSA) values, or prostate size.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/308.html

My apologies to breast quest for the hijacked thread. Lovely, why don't you create your own thread about Red Clover, this way we can come to understand your belief about the cross-link to which you refer to.