Hello all,  any advice is greatly appreciated. 

My main goals: (slow enough over time that my wife doesn't become alarmed): 

above the belt:   buds, and small breasts that could be mostly concealed with a compression shirt. 
below the belt:   as much shrinkage and lost function as possible.  A more feminine bottom would be nice.  

Starting Doses:
500mg "Amalth" PM
1230mg "Pure Ingredients" Reishi
1200mg "Life Extension" White Peony
450mg  "Nature's Way" Licorice root

(Plus Soy Protein Isolate and ground flaxseed daily)

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You're basically looking to change the nature of who you are, which will change the nature of the relationship with your wife.  Personally I don't think it's fair to your wife to take this course without letting her know what you're doing and why, and let her have the opportunity to decide if she's comfortable with those changes and if she wants to remain with you.  You're heading into a storm whether you tell her now, or hide what you're doing and she figures it out later; the storm is more survivable being honest up front, than it is by lying through deception to her for months or years.     

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Thanks for the very good advice...I'm 51 and I guess I'm thinking I could pass off these changes as getting older, low T,  weight gain, etc...

Hi SecretSissy

Regarding your program I see nothing wrong apart from the PM. I just checked Amalth and what they sell is PM leaf extract (I never heard of leaf extract). What really works usually is pure ground root. If I were in you I would look into getting Ainterol's pure root PM, which is the usual choice for NBE. Also, the dosage I see on Amalth's website doesn't make sense as they say that the single dose of extract is equivalent to 5000mg of pure root, which would probably kill a human being. Extracts are not as powerful as pure root, but those values are all over the place...

Regarding the changes: physical changes will take a while to arrive. For the more femiine bottom you'll have to do some squats as lower body fat redistribution takes a while. Boobs will start growing on month 2 or 3, but it won't be enough for anyone to notice. If you are consistent you may see some budding around month 4 or 5, and some shape around month 9. Remember that you will know what's going on, but to other people you will look like you put on some weight.
One change that will definitely happen is loss of sex drive. I don't know what your love life is like, but that's probably the most noticeable effect. Erections will take longer to achieve and will be harder to maintain (pun not intended). This will kick in pretty soon, in two or three weeks, so make sure that your relationship can take the hit of a reduced amount of sex.

That said... good luck on your journey and keep us posted

For me, NBE was very helpful for finding a way to see if I really wanted to do HRT without needing a doctor's note etc. first, but once I had confirmed the results of the experiment, I stopped NBE and told my wife I am trans. I had wondered if she would notice my body changes on her own, but that didn't really happen because it was only a month or so. Anyway, this has really sucked because she is now driving the bus to divorce town, if a little more slowly than she would have if I had done HRT without telling her, but at the same time I feel like the whole thing is inevitable because you can only keep your fingers in the dam for 40 or 50 years before you get some cracks and leaks around the edges.

My 2 cents are: do enough NBE to figure out if you really want to pursue it or not; go to a therapist; make a plan with the therapist for coming out to your wife. Don't do what I did and make the plan on your own! Also the fact that you are seeing a therapist at all can be your "warning shot" that something is going to change (although sending good warning shots is basically impossible because no one interprets them correctly). 

Shirazmn, Thanks for the heads up on the "leaf extract"  Even if it is root powder,  their stupid marketing doesn't give me much faith in the product.  I will figure out a way to get the Ainterol, but it sure would have been easy if I could just get it to an Amazon parcel locker. 

Are you talking about real squats with a barbell, or those repetition cardio ones?

The loss of sex drive won't be an issue.  Haven't done that in over 5 years.  She put on some pounds a while back...I lost interest. That's my fault, but we still love each other and are best friends.   Hopefully it also kills my on/off increasingly shameful porn viewing.  

They will both tone your ass, ham strings and thighs. But of course using weight would be better. I know this, as  i use todo allot of squatting in the gym with crazy weight. But dead lifting works the same muscle groups.

Hi Secret Sissy,

As you live in the states why not buy Ainterolherbs Pueraria Mirifica, as most of the members on here will testify it is the top product and reasonably priced, the old saying you get what you pay for, cheap is not always best.

Hi Liz,  I plan on getting the Ainterol PM with some unaccounted for Holiday cash, and maybe ship it to a rented box.  The more I read here though, the more I wonder if Bovine Ovary might be the better option for me, since most people seem to say that the chest growth is slower and the fem bottom curves more dramatic.

Hi SecretSissy

Regarding your program I see nothing wrong apart from the PM. I just checked Amalth and what they sell is PM leaf extract (I never heard of leaf extract). What really works usually is pure ground root. If I were in you I would look into getting Ainterol's pure root PM, which is the usual choice for NBE. Also, the dosage I see on Amalth's website doesn't make sense as they say that the single dose of extract is equivalent to 5000mg of pure root, which would probably kill a human being. Extracts are not as powerful as pure root, but those values are all over the place...

Regarding the changes: physical changes will take a while to arrive. For the more femiine bottom you'll have to do some squats as lower body fat redistribution takes a while. Boobs will start growing on month 2 or 3, but it won't be enough for anyone to notice. If you are consistent you may see some budding around month 4 or 5, and some shape around month 9. Remember that you will know what's going on, but to other people you will look like you put on some weight.
One change that will definitely happen is loss of sex drive. I don't know what your love life is like, but that's probably the most noticeable effect. Erections will take longer to achieve and will be harder to maintain (pun not intended). This will kick in pretty soon, in two or three weeks, so make sure that your relationship can take the hit of a reduced amount of sex.

That said... good luck on your journey and keep us posted

Hi Shirazmn,

I read your post in response and I had a question which I hope is ok. I will be starting my program in the next few days. Regarding getting erections and maintaining them…. in your experience does it make it harder to actually cum as well as perhaps get hard and stay hard?

Also is there a general reduction in thinking about sex and turn on generally? 

Thanks so much! X