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When reality hits you like a tonne of bricks...

#1

So... heavy conversation with the wife a few nights ago. I was tipsy enough to allow myself to speak almost freely and we got on the subject of health and hair loss (she is losing some because of her menopause, and my bald patch has been a thing for years now). She knows I take "some stuff that I bought on the internet" to slow down my hair loss. That was always the excuse for me to take PM without raising too many questions. She also knows that whatever that stuff is, it's causing some breast growth. In the past months I've done 4mg of Progynova per day, unknown to her, but I stopped in late December as we had to go on holiday and it would have been impossible to hide the pills from her.
Last night I said that my chest was very itchy. I said it because yesterday morning I actually spent half an hour scratching around my nipples and I thought I woke her up by doing so. I asked her if that's the kind of pain girls get when they develop breast and she said that it was so long ago that she couldn't remember, but this brought up the fact that I "think I may be developing some more". She said that, because I have a history of breast cancer in my family on my mother's side, I should definitely go for a serious all-round test and make sure that a mammogram is part of it. She also said that whaver I am taking I should be taking under medical supervision or stop for good, and that she would gladly pay for me to get a hair transplant rather than popping random pills bought on the black market online. Without going into details of what I am taking, I said that they are not random or dodgy, but indeed they come from the internet because they have some "estrogenic effect" (that's as far as I went with the description) and doctors in the UK would not prescribe them to be unless I enrolled in some gender change category, which I don't want to do because I am not trans.
I then tried to push and see how much was too much. She did indeed raise the subject that we have many more pool/seaside holidays to come and she doesn't want to have a husband with bigger boobs than she has. That's a hard line, she said. And I believe that size has little to do, and what is the really hard line is that I shouldn't be sporting boobs in general. I said that last year on holiday I saw many guys with huge ones, but she said that those were FAT guys ans she doesn't want an obese husband.


I told her that while taking those pills I was feeling good, like 10 years younger. I thought I was making a good point but, instead, she said that I just sounded like a junkie. I stressed that it's not a "feel good high" but that didn't make a dent. So I asked how much I could push it? Hair or not hair, boobs or not boobs, if I went to the doctors and I explained what I was taking and they found no issued with my body, could I continue taking it? Also, I reminded her that my nipples are the most erogenous part of my body, something she knows really well and plays with all the time, and that if the meds brought some extra sensitivity I would definitely not be sad about it.
Her answer was to first go to the doctor and then we can talk about it.

So... I am not sure where this is leaving me. I know what I want to do. I definitely want some more growth and roundness but that clearly goes against everything she wants. I am not desperate because I started NBE with the intent to get a small A cup and I can now wear a 38C or 38D. I also stopped taking everything before the end of 2024 exactly because with a beach holiday coming up now in 2 weeks I didn't want any surprise (even if I just had a growth spurt the other day...). I am just a bit sad because her "hard lines" have not moved since the previous years. I don't know if I'd do anything different if they had, at least at this moment in time, but I was hoping she'd be a tiny bit more flexible.
I have yet to come up with a plan for the future. I wanted to wait until after my next holiday and then reassess. We will be going to the beach with my wife's family and at the pool in the hotel. If any sentiment of excessive embarrassment has to arise, it will. Personally, I think I am still in the "moobs" field, so I don't think anyone will say anything apart, maybe, about my overall weight.

One idea that is fluctuating in my mind for when we come back (late Feb) is to book a full body check that is long overdue for me, and speak to a doctor about how I used PM and then E "to keep my hair from falling" for a while longer, and then I found that E makes me feel better in general. I don't think they could prescribe E for me, and probably not 4mg of Progynova per day, but if it turns out that I don't have any serious issues then I'll have a tiny bit more of extra leverage to keep getting it. And at that point a slow breast growth may be an "acceptable side effect" of something that even the doctor said is fine.

Last night in bed my wife noticed that the texture of my nipples has changed and I confirmed that they are more sensitive. She said: "That's probably the stuff I was taking that makes them more sensitive. What's so bad about it? I like that they are!".
She only said "We'll see what the doctor says..."

Maybe there is a faint light at the end of the tunnel.



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#2

It sounds like she has some fear of losing the man she married so many years ago, which is understandable, but it also seems like she understands but has some hard lines she doesn't want crossed.

It seems like it will work out if your doctor is not concerned.
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#3

Getting hit with a tonne of bricks has happened to me several times in my life. And I bet it has happened (several times) to most of you. In the aftermath, I have found myself walking a tightrope, a balancing act to survive. The unfortunate part is that we often put our own needs last. This is my pattern most of my life as a closeted transwoman. I know, there is a huge life lesson in this for me. Someday I will fully waken.

That said, back to the balancing act. There are many herbs that fall into NBE that are also taken by a huge amount of people for general health reasons. Green tea, matcha tea, MSM, fish oil, vitamin D, reishi mushrooms, mint tea, melatonin, and I could go on and on. Maybe PM and BO don't nicely fly under the radar for general health but many, many others do. It's easy to find the list of NBE supplements in the threads that Lotus wrote. I was taking many of these before I started on NBE.
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#4

sorry to say this but i think your giving her to much power as so many of us do including myself in the past . it would be best if at least you told her you enjoyed having breasts and did not whant to give them up its not easy but worth it in the end  . best of luck
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#5

[color=var(--YLNNHc)]It would be best if your wife also grows her breasts. You would grow together. ?[/color]
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#6

(21-01-2025, 10:33 PM)Gyuszek1977 Wrote:  [color=var(--YLNNHc)]It would be best if your wife also grows her breasts. You would grow together. ?[/color]

Not bad idea if he can bring it up at the right time, right place and make it sound like a project they can work on together. Marriage is a partnership.
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#7

(19-01-2025, 09:23 PM)Shirazmn Wrote:  So... heavy conversation with the wife a few nights ago. I was tipsy enough to allow myself to speak almost freely and we got on the subject of health and hair loss (she is losing some because of her menopause, and my bald patch has been a thing for years now). She knows I take "some stuff that I bought on the internet" to slow down my hair loss. That was always the excuse for me to take PM without raising too many questions. She also knows that whatever that stuff is, it's causing some breast growth. In the past months I've done 4mg of Progynova per day, unknown to her, but I stopped in late December as we had to go on holiday and it would have been impossible to hide the pills from her.
Last night I said that my chest was very itchy. I said it because yesterday morning I actually spent half an hour scratching around my nipples and I thought I woke her up by doing so. I asked her if that's the kind of pain girls get when they develop breast and she said that it was so long ago that she couldn't remember, but this brought up the fact that I "think I may be developing some more". She said that, because I have a history of breast cancer in my family on my mother's side, I should definitely go for a serious all-round test and make sure that a mammogram is part of it. She also said that whaver I am taking I should be taking under medical supervision or stop for good, and that she would gladly pay for me to get a hair transplant rather than popping random pills bought on the black market online. Without going into details of what I am taking, I said that they are not random or dodgy, but indeed they come from the internet because they have some "estrogenic effect" (that's as far as I went with the description) and doctors in the UK would not prescribe them to be unless I enrolled in some gender change category, which I don't want to do because I am not trans.
I then tried to push and see how much was too much. She did indeed raise the subject that we have many more pool/seaside holidays to come and she doesn't want to have a husband with bigger boobs than she has. That's a hard line, she said. And I believe that size has little to do, and what is the really hard line is that I shouldn't be sporting boobs in general. I said that last year on holiday I saw many guys with huge ones, but she said that those were FAT guys ans she doesn't want an obese husband.


I told her that while taking those pills I was feeling good, like 10 years younger. I thought I was making a good point but, instead, she said that I just sounded like a junkie. I stressed that it's not a "feel good high" but that didn't make a dent. So I asked how much I could push it? Hair or not hair, boobs or not boobs, if I went to the doctors and I explained what I was taking and they found no issued with my body, could I continue taking it? Also, I reminded her that my nipples are the most erogenous part of my body, something she knows really well and plays with all the time, and that if the meds brought some extra sensitivity I would definitely not be sad about it.
Her answer was to first go to the doctor and then we can talk about it.

So... I am not sure where this is leaving me. I know what I want to do. I definitely want some more growth and roundness but that clearly goes against everything she wants. I am not desperate because I started NBE with the intent to get a small A cup and I can now wear a 38C or 38D. I also stopped taking everything before the end of 2024 exactly because with a beach holiday coming up now in 2 weeks I didn't want any surprise (even if I just had a growth spurt the other day...). I am just a bit sad because her "hard lines" have not moved since the previous years. I don't know if I'd do anything different if they had, at least at this moment in time, but I was hoping she'd be a tiny bit more flexible.
I have yet to come up with a plan for the future. I wanted to wait until after my next holiday and then reassess. We will be going to the beach with my wife's family and at the pool in the hotel. If any sentiment of excessive embarrassment has to arise, it will. Personally, I think I am still in the "moobs" field, so I don't think anyone will say anything apart, maybe, about my overall weight.

One idea that is fluctuating in my mind for when we come back (late Feb) is to book a full body check that is long overdue for me, and speak to a doctor about how I used PM and then E "to keep my hair from falling" for a while longer, and then I found that E makes me feel better in general. I don't think they could prescribe E for me, and probably not 4mg of Progynova per day, but if it turns out that I don't have any serious issues then I'll have a tiny bit more of extra leverage to keep getting it. And at that point a slow breast growth may be an "acceptable side effect" of something that even the doctor said is fine.

Last night in bed my wife noticed that the texture of my nipples has changed and I confirmed that they are more sensitive. She said: "That's probably the stuff I was taking that makes them more sensitive. What's so bad about it? I like that they are!".
She only said "We'll see what the doctor says..."

Maybe there is a faint light at the end of the tunnel.



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Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel but it does sound like she might be afraid of losing the man she married. Get the check up and see what your Dr says. Maybe this will open a new avenue of subjects to talk about with your breasts in mind. Have fun on your holidays....
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(21-01-2025, 10:33 PM)Gyuszek1977 Wrote:  [color=var(--YLNNHc)]It would be best if your wife also grows her breasts. You would grow together. ?[/color]

This is a great idea for sure....
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#9

This is rough... I read the whole thing but I was too busy to reply right away. Its a hard spot to be, its obvious your wife isn't ready to accept you doing much more body mods, full transition would likely wreck everything, but as that's not what you're going for, what to do with this?

As others said, if your wife would be into it too, then it would be a shared interest and it could turn into really hot hobby... But that's not happening? Gosh what to do with this, its difficult.

I can offer my empathy for you of course, but no solutions. Its very much like a situation many trans women face when coming up with harsh realities of cis hetero relationships. But at least for you there might be some way to deal with this, unlike those to whom its absolute must and life and death situation.

Hey Shirazmn, how are you doing in general? Are you still on Discord? Don't be a stranger, come chat some time, its been ages since. Hug
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#10

I am sorry that you are meeting resistance, but it does not sound like she is necessarily entrenched in her position on the subject.  She may get used to the idea over time even if she does not become an avid supporter.
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