[moto16e]

How much PM is safe to take for a 40 year old genetic male at 180 lbs who wants breast growth and overall feminization?
Is it better to spread this out throughout the day?
Should I take Red Clover with it, and how much if so? Would this reduce the amount of PM I should take.

Asking PM content in pill form.

I have seen 500mg as a limit for women.

I have seen 3000mg pills for sale.

I do not want any long-term negative health impacts such as liver damage, I have a family to take care of.

I am healthier than 99% of people right now. Good exercise, diet, genetics, and I don't want to destroy that.

I did use the search function. Hopefully this helps future people.

I cannot go to a doctor for this, or I would use synthetic hormones.

I have seen people taking 6-7 different pills and using creams. I don't see that as necessary for me.

Thank you for any help you provide.

[Stevenator_]

Anything above 2k mg is asinine & foolish.

Have you spent any time in the Project-X thread?

It royally pisses me off that ten plus years of research by Lotus is so easily overlooked and questions are put to random surveys where any moron can answer.

Go ahead and take 6,000mg+ a day and see how fast you develop DVT & have a stroke.

[Heaven's Night]

So much is being asked which has been answered endless times already, tried and tested and figured out, especially about PM as its done to death so many times. I would say never ever exceed 2000mg, rather max out at 1000mg if your life is dear to you. 

The DVT problems have come out so many times by now that I would say that people should completely drop PM and do something else all together. There are so much better alternatives, the ones which are bioidentical. 

Go on NBE boosted HRT instead, it'll guarantee results and wont fuck up your blood.

[moto16e]

Anything above 2k mg is asinine & foolish.

Have you spent any time in the Project-X thread?

It royally pisses me off that ten plus years of research by Lotus is so easily overlooked and questions are put to random surveys where any moron can answer.

Go ahead and take 6,000mg+ a day and see how fast you develop DVT & have a stroke.

Thank you for your answer.

This site has not led me to that thread or research results from "Lotus." It also runs slower than a webpage from the 90s. The search function is limited as well.

If there is important info that all new users should know, it should be compiled and presented as a sticky or "forum announcement." The only one is a disclaimer.

I will not. I have seen enough threads and information to be concerned about PM in general. Putting 6k mg as an option got the response that people will need to see, not to do that and why.

I sincerely say all of this constructively and post with the best intentions for others to make safe choices.

[moto16e]

So much is being asked which has been answered endless times already, tried and tested and figured out, especially about PM as its done to death so many times. I would say never ever exceed 2000mg, rather max out at 1000mg if your life is dear to you. 

The DVT problems have come out so many times by now that I would say that people should completely drop PM and do something else all together. There are so much better alternatives, the ones which are bioidentical. 

Go on NBE boosted HRT instead, it'll guarantee results and wont fuck up your blood.

Thank you for your response.

Many have posted about taking larger doses and potentially dangerous combinations. I have found no scientific studies that answer my questions. If you have, it would be helpful to share. If you have a thread to point to, that would be appreciated as well.

What combination at what dosing works as well or better, without a prescription or causing health issues?

[Heaven's Night]

So much is being asked which has been answered endless times already, tried and tested and figured out, especially about PM as its done to death so many times. I would say never ever exceed 2000mg, rather max out at 1000mg if your life is dear to you. 

The DVT problems have come out so many times by now that I would say that people should completely drop PM and do something else all together. There are so much better alternatives, the ones which are bioidentical. 

Go on NBE boosted HRT instead, it'll guarantee results and wont fuck up your blood.

Thank you for your response.

Many have posted about taking larger doses and potentially dangerous combinations. I have found no scientific studies that answer my questions. If you have, it would be helpful to share. If you have a thread to point to, that would be appreciated as well.

What combination at what dosing works as well or better, without a prescription or causing health issues?

With PM, keep dosing moderate and listen to your body, its usually ok on low enough dose but better be safe than sorry in this case. My run on it was clear, 1500mg was highest I could do safely, higher caused me to have DVT symptoms which was a huge scare, I was so scared for my life... I quickly took a break and then lowered dosage and soon after I switched on NBE enhanced HRT program which is much safer. 

You should look into the Topical Cream Protocl which has a thread here, the program has been found extremely successful, at least to those who already are on conventional HRT, but I think its likely to work even without because its done mainly by bioidentical hormones. Another point of interest is different combinations of amino acids as part of your program, this deals mainly with human growth hormone and growth factors which are an essential part of breast development, but these are meant to boost the effects of the hormone balance causing the growth to initiate. Then you should look into the MSM + Vitamin D3 + Calcium citrate combo, also dealing with HGH and growing connective tissues, again its very effective as a part of a NBE program. 

For conventional HRT, transdermal or oinjected estrogen is the way to go, meaning typically estrogel or EV or EEn injections. These can function on their own as a monotherapy, or on lower doses along with testosterone blocker and progesterone. For dosing and exact details I wont recommend anything right now as it would make this post way too long, all that depends on personal needs. HRT is just as safe, no matter if a doctor has put an official stamp of approval on it or not, when its done correctly which usually isn't very difficult. 

Quick example for a gold standard HRT program could be like mine, 3,2mg/0,08ml EV injection biweekly, 25mg Bicalumitide biweekly, 400mg Progesterone every other day. With EEn injection the same but dose 6,4mg once a week. 

Typical HRT programs are quite simplistic and mostly very safe as its tiny amounts of synthetic drugs as T blockers and moderate doses of bioidentical estrogens taken transdermally or injected, thus skipping liver metabolism almost completely. That keeps blood clotting factors low and the risk is similar to that of a cis woman and we don't see women dropping dead from blood clots left and right. Of course there are other potential risks involved, but HRT is mostly very safe.

[moto16e]

Thank you, I plan to limit myself to 1000mg of PM per day. 

Not sure if Red Clover is necessary, I'm seeing mixed information about it acting as an anti-androgen VS it weakening the effect of PM because it is a weaker estrogen-increasing herb. I am mostly looking for the same effect as estrogen-only HRT, so I think I'll stop taking it.

Is there a way to get enough transdermal estrogen without a prescription? I know you are from the UK, but I see you are very active here. I've seen 2mg as effective but those patches require a prescription.

[Heaven's Night]

I can tell you that RC extract definitely does not in any way dimish the effect of HRT, nor other parts of the topical protocol which elevate local estrogens, these being DHEA converting to E1, E2 and E3 and estrogel containing E2. But this, when its used topically. There are others here on the oforum who have noted the same, Lotus, Stevenator and I think there was someone else too? Anyway, tocpical RC doesn't seem to have any kind of receptor conflicts what so ever. 

I'm not from the UK, I'm from Finland. 

For transdermal HRT you should just forget about patches and rather get estrogel instead. There's plenty of sources from which to get it. Search for HRTcafe and then go to reddit, on r/diyhrt and r/estrogel and ask around. I will not mention any source by name or link them publicly. Also there's very cheap and quite easy alternative of brewing your own estrogel, the latter reddit sub is all about it. Its dirt cheap, estradiol powder from China is very affordable and you could easily get a lifetime supply. 

Its not a bad idea to ditch PM in favour of HRT monotherapy, conventional HRT with some NBE elements to boost its effects is the best thing you can do and its all within reach especially if you keep your program rather simple.

[BuddingB]

I believe all you need is between 500 to 1000mg to have success with PM. that being said, if you add supporting herbs, as described in many threads, the chances increase quite a bit for success. Keep in mind, it can take a long time for any results and even then your mileage may very. Some do wonderful and some get no growth.