Changed my mind ....... Karen
06-10-2011, 04:57 AM
Changed your mind? In what way?
I think it is probably time for me to do an update on my little experiment. Before I started it, I wouldn't have said being off PM makes that much difference to my attitudes and behaviour. I have always thought of myself as a relatively calm, steady person.
Well, you're never too old to learn something about yourself.
I will say I have no cravings for the PM, or any other supplement. There is no physical withdrawal at all for me. I am not getting headaches, stomach trouble, muscle trouble, or sleep trouble that I haven't had my whole life. Fenugreek and Fennel both reduce my IBS, but I haven't taken them for something like a year now. I don't keep a diary, so I don't have exact dates.
It has been about two and a half weeks with no PM (or any other herbs) now. I could swear looking in the mirror my under boob has shrunk some on both sides, although the side boobs appear to have expanded a bit. Probably just seeing my insecurities reflected back at me. The tape measure says nothing has changed. The scale says I have dropped almost 10 pounds. My blood pressure has dropped a little, not very much. I'm more handsome, and I washed my car. My dog ran out of cookies.
The changes I am finding are more of the mental type. Perhaps they'll level off and sort themselves out over the next couple of weeks. I find myself much more easily irked, less tolerant and patient, less able to concentrate, and I am putting my mouth in gear before my brain is running. I believe it is due to stopping PM, even though I was only taking 500mg/day as a maintenance dose for quite a while now. I am hoping it is only temporary as my body adjusts. If not, then perhaps it isn't chemical at all, but a more profound unhappiness and distraction from being aware I am not doing anything like NBE. I am doing more girl-watching, have actually gone back to some porn sites I haven't visited for months, and am more inclined to watch an idiotic tv ad or show if there is a great rack on display. My driving has become rather aggressive and impatient. These are all bad things. I would have said I don't have these issues, but the evidence is that I do have them. I am going to stay off PM for a while longer to see if I can master these personal shortcomings. If not, then I think I would rather take the PM at a maintenance level and be a better person. We'll see. Stay tuned, more to come. Same bat-channel, same batty sfem.
I think it is probably time for me to do an update on my little experiment. Before I started it, I wouldn't have said being off PM makes that much difference to my attitudes and behaviour. I have always thought of myself as a relatively calm, steady person.
Well, you're never too old to learn something about yourself.
I will say I have no cravings for the PM, or any other supplement. There is no physical withdrawal at all for me. I am not getting headaches, stomach trouble, muscle trouble, or sleep trouble that I haven't had my whole life. Fenugreek and Fennel both reduce my IBS, but I haven't taken them for something like a year now. I don't keep a diary, so I don't have exact dates.
It has been about two and a half weeks with no PM (or any other herbs) now. I could swear looking in the mirror my under boob has shrunk some on both sides, although the side boobs appear to have expanded a bit. Probably just seeing my insecurities reflected back at me. The tape measure says nothing has changed. The scale says I have dropped almost 10 pounds. My blood pressure has dropped a little, not very much. I'm more handsome, and I washed my car. My dog ran out of cookies.
The changes I am finding are more of the mental type. Perhaps they'll level off and sort themselves out over the next couple of weeks. I find myself much more easily irked, less tolerant and patient, less able to concentrate, and I am putting my mouth in gear before my brain is running. I believe it is due to stopping PM, even though I was only taking 500mg/day as a maintenance dose for quite a while now. I am hoping it is only temporary as my body adjusts. If not, then perhaps it isn't chemical at all, but a more profound unhappiness and distraction from being aware I am not doing anything like NBE. I am doing more girl-watching, have actually gone back to some porn sites I haven't visited for months, and am more inclined to watch an idiotic tv ad or show if there is a great rack on display. My driving has become rather aggressive and impatient. These are all bad things. I would have said I don't have these issues, but the evidence is that I do have them. I am going to stay off PM for a while longer to see if I can master these personal shortcomings. If not, then I think I would rather take the PM at a maintenance level and be a better person. We'll see. Stay tuned, more to come. Same bat-channel, same batty sfem.
06-10-2011, 07:30 AM
Hi batty...err...sfem
Thanks for the update, I've been wondering how it was going.
I'm not surprised by the perceived but un-measurable size reduction, that sounds similar to what I saw myself when I stopped completely for a month earlier this year.
I have always said that I don't have the shortcomings you've mentioned, either, so now you've got me scared that maybe I do have them after all and they will show up if I stop!!
Thanks for the update, I've been wondering how it was going.
I'm not surprised by the perceived but un-measurable size reduction, that sounds similar to what I saw myself when I stopped completely for a month earlier this year.
I have always said that I don't have the shortcomings you've mentioned, either, so now you've got me scared that maybe I do have them after all and they will show up if I stop!!
06-10-2011, 07:42 AM
Thank you sfem,
That's quite an extensive list. I'll think about it item by item to see if PM could help me.
That's quite an extensive list. I'll think about it item by item to see if PM could help me.
06-10-2011, 09:37 AM
Please keep the Batsfem channel running,
we are all tuned in, its hilarious
Julie
we are all tuned in, its hilarious
Julie
06-10-2011, 02:41 PM
Inciteful read, Sfem. I had the same reaction when went off PM, thus I am not leaving PM in the foreseeable future.
Thanks for your support. I've tried to refrain from posting much lately, because I'm not happy with how I'm expressing myself lately. I'm really hoping it is just that my body has swung its hormone balance in reaction to stopping PM and that it will clear up in the next week or two. At this point, my target is to not take anything until the end of October. We'll see how it goes. My wife is pretty unhappy with my mood and attitude lately too. But she knows I'm off the herbs and she's an amazing person. Better than I deserve.
06-10-2011, 04:09 PM
(06-10-2011, 02:46 PM)sfem Wrote: Thanks for your support. I've tried to refrain from posting much lately, because I'm not happy with how I'm expressing myself lately. I'm really hoping it is just that my body has swung its hormone balance in reaction to stopping PM and that it will clear up in the next week or two. At this point, my target is to not take anything until the end of October. We'll see how it goes. My wife is pretty unhappy with my mood and attitude lately too. But she knows I'm off the herbs and she's an amazing person. Better than I deserve.
Hi sfem, you should think about making an instant documentary film on your experience, like Super Size Me... ;-)
17-10-2011, 02:18 PM
Time for another update I think. It has been a month since I stopped taking any herbs at all.
I believe my moods have steadied out somewhat. I still get angry more easily than I like, but I am doing better at leashing it when it shows up. I am finding I have the patience to actually think about what I write and have less re-writing to do before hitting post/send/save. I'm still driving more aggressively than I should, and I am finding that hard to control. Not sure why. I am staying at about 10 pounds less than when I stopped the PM. I have no cravings for the herbs, no physical symptoms of withdrawal, and no anxiety about not being on PM. I suppose I'm saving a trivial amount of money by not taking anything. Still handsome, porn's good, car's dirty, and bought cookies for my dog.
The tape measure says no change to my chest. I can say that my nipples spend less time soft and puffy than when I was on PM, and unless my chest is warm, they are more often like male nipples now. I feel fairly confident saying my boobs are changing shape a bit, it's not just my imagination. The sideboob on both has expanded, and the underboob has shrunk a little. My bras are feeling a bit more filled than they were, although the nipples no longer sit as high in the cups as they did. I do find I have to physically pull the side of my boobs into the cups more than before. That does make me sad. I never get much of any sensation in the breast or nipple anymore, and bumping them into anything or lying on them now just feels like I have one of those squishy balls people squeeze for hand exercise between me and whatever I have bumped into. My wife is interestingly showing less interest in my boobs and the whole topic than before. Not sure if that is a reaction to the change in me, or something more subtle, or just a coincidence, or even my imagination. This hasn't exactly been a long study.
Overall, I think I liked it better when I was on PM. But I am going to stick this out and wait for the end of the month before going back onto it. At this point, I think I will go back onto it at a maintenance level like before, because I like what it does for my mental state. No film please, and I certainly don't want to be any more super-sized than I am. But I do appreciate your interest. Stay tuned for the next episode.
I believe my moods have steadied out somewhat. I still get angry more easily than I like, but I am doing better at leashing it when it shows up. I am finding I have the patience to actually think about what I write and have less re-writing to do before hitting post/send/save. I'm still driving more aggressively than I should, and I am finding that hard to control. Not sure why. I am staying at about 10 pounds less than when I stopped the PM. I have no cravings for the herbs, no physical symptoms of withdrawal, and no anxiety about not being on PM. I suppose I'm saving a trivial amount of money by not taking anything. Still handsome, porn's good, car's dirty, and bought cookies for my dog.
The tape measure says no change to my chest. I can say that my nipples spend less time soft and puffy than when I was on PM, and unless my chest is warm, they are more often like male nipples now. I feel fairly confident saying my boobs are changing shape a bit, it's not just my imagination. The sideboob on both has expanded, and the underboob has shrunk a little. My bras are feeling a bit more filled than they were, although the nipples no longer sit as high in the cups as they did. I do find I have to physically pull the side of my boobs into the cups more than before. That does make me sad. I never get much of any sensation in the breast or nipple anymore, and bumping them into anything or lying on them now just feels like I have one of those squishy balls people squeeze for hand exercise between me and whatever I have bumped into. My wife is interestingly showing less interest in my boobs and the whole topic than before. Not sure if that is a reaction to the change in me, or something more subtle, or just a coincidence, or even my imagination. This hasn't exactly been a long study.
Overall, I think I liked it better when I was on PM. But I am going to stick this out and wait for the end of the month before going back onto it. At this point, I think I will go back onto it at a maintenance level like before, because I like what it does for my mental state. No film please, and I certainly don't want to be any more super-sized than I am. But I do appreciate your interest. Stay tuned for the next episode.
17-10-2011, 03:45 PM
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