(02-04-2015, 12:39 AM)sfem Wrote: George Carlin was awesome. He was doing comedy in that routine. Why did you post the link without saying what it was a link to? Are you suggesting gender-related surgery is some kind of joke? Carlin had fun with the language topics, but if you listen to recordings of him while trying to assign meaning to any of his material, you have to stop laughing and become critical. FYI, if you are a Carlin fan like I am, don't do this. It will ruin some of his funniest bits for you. He mixed a wide variety of things in order to come up with the volume of material he went through, much like Benny Hill did. Adjacent changes in wording in that routine are not all of the same nature. His delivery makes them all sound funny. But quite often, changing how we describe things is not only intelligent, but necessary to allow us to advance our knowledge and change our perspectives on things we take for granted. If you dig into how much things like gender are deeply baked into many languages, you will be amazed at how very often gender cues are used.
My wife and I sometimes play at a game where we look for those things in conversations that happen around us. It's fairly incredible these things go on so ubiquitously without conscious recognition. Marketers rejoice!
I think there is so much progress and change happening with respect to our situations/conditions/whatever you want to call it, that it is pretty obvious that this is a case of language needing to change and grow in order to adequately communicate the concepts. Despite my not having any interest in gender surgery of any kind for myself, I have to say I greatly prefer the term gender confirmation surgery. It is far more accurate than using the old terms which had negative societal baggage built into them.
I linked it with what Clara said, wasn't that enough of a clue?
She's talking about the new and different phases of the word used to describe us. Have you heard of the term, "PC", politically correct? In other words, as Carlin said, we can't call someone retarded anymore, we have to call them mentally challenged, now! He's telling us how completely ridiculous it is that we have to keep changing terminology every time someone farts, or, should I say, every time someone causes an odiferous air wave fluctuation by an accidental bi-labial fricative. All of a sudden I can't say, "transgendered", anymore because someone thought it just MIGHT be mentally and/or emotionally harmful to transgendered people. I'll bet I could ask a number of my TS friends what they are and they'd all say, "transgendered". Carla, Wendi, Pam, do you CARE if anyone calls you transgendered? I'm SURE they'd ALL say, "No!"
I can't call black people "black" anymore, because that might be offensive to them. I have to call them, African-Americans, now! But it's perfectly fine for them to call me white instead of Scotts-Irish-German-Slovak-American!! I guess it's okay for me to call them nigger, though, because they do it themselves all the time! And it's okay for them to call us, "cracker", "whitey" and "honky".
JUST to be clear on that last part, I'm NOT by ANY stretch of the imagination "voicing" an opinion against black people, I'm "voicing" an opinion against the verbiage used to describe people and how we have WAY too many rules already for how certain people should be described!! I couldn't give a rats ass WHAT colour someone's skin is!! Just like I don't care at all about what clothes someone prefers to wear or what gender they prefer to be or what gear they were born with between their legs or even that they might be "differently abled", they're ALL human beings to me!!!! We SHOULD ALL be trying to become a WHOLE!!!! We SHOULD ALL be trying to become EQUAL and by coming up with more and more restrictive names for everyone's personal condition is making each and every one us more compartmentalized!! THAT, on the whole, is what George was trying to say!!
Are we clear, now? I'm a closet TRANSSEXUAL and I'm on George's side!!