[Beverley50]

I have had very pleasurable results by only fenugreek over the past two months. I have had nice all-over breast growth, my breasts are not misshapen or funny looking, but are round and young-girlish looking all over, with a slight droop, which is also very pleasing. That shows that there is weight in the breasts. They say it is liquid retention that eventually turns to breast fat. I'm happy with that. The more liquid the larger my breasts will become.

I know this has been discussed here before, and its easy to lose track of where the info is that you've seen before, however for the sake of this thread, I would like to have good info on dosage. I will be staring more intense HRT shortly and would like some info on dosage. I will be using the following products:

Pueraria Murifica 500mg
White Peony tablets (don't know dosage yet - need info)
Red Reishi tablets (don't know dosage yet - need info)


I will continue with my fenugreek for the mean time 3 x 1000mg 3 times daily until all my products have arrived, since the fenugreek effect has been so pleasing. I will probably stop using this when I move to my new program.

But the burning question is dosage, without causing harm to my body. I am 50 years old

Help!

[The First Aria]

I have had very pleasurable results by only fenugreek over the past two months. I have had nice all-over breast growth, my breasts are not misshapen or funny looking, but are round and young-girlish looking all over, with a slight droop, which is also very pleasing. That shows that there is weight in the breasts. They say it is liquid retention that eventually turns to breast fat. I'm happy with that. The more liquid the larger my breasts will become.

I know this has been discussed here before, and its easy to lose track of where the info is that you've seen before, however for the sake of this thread, I would like to have good info on dosage. I will be staring more intense HRT shortly and would like some info on dosage. I will be using the following products:

Pueraria Murifica 500mg
White Peony tablets (don't know dosage yet - need info)
Red Reishi tablets (don't know dosage yet - need info)


I will continue with my fenugreek for the mean time 3 x 1000mg 3 times daily until all my products have arrived, since the fenugreek effect has been so pleasing. I will probably stop using this when I move to my new program.

But the burning question is dosage, without causing harm to my body. I am 50 years old

Help!

Always start with the lowest dosage rates first.  There are several reasons, but the main one is every person's body reacts differently to dosage, Herb being used and of course general health of that person.  I always followed the following 2 rules!  1.  Only up the rate after 2-4 weeks.  Any quicker than that you really cant tell a difference.  2.  More is NOT better necessarily.  You can drive your excess Estrogen to be converted to, what no one who wants to feminize, Testosterone!

[Beverley50]

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Always start with the lowest dosage rates first.  There are several reasons, but the main one is every person's body reacts differently to dosage, Herb being used and of course general health of that person.  I always followed the following 2 rules!  1.  Only up the rate after 2-4 weeks.  Any quicker than that you really cant tell a difference.  2.  More is NOT better necessarily.  You can drive your excess Estrogen to be converted to, what no one who wants to feminize, Testosterone!
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I've ordered all of these products from Amazon. I guess I'll just start off with 550mg of PM and one pill each of the others, once per day, then after 14 days I'll double up and keep it like that until I see meaningful change and/or still feel good enough to continue. As you say, start with the lowest levels. I am in no specific rush and the products are cheap, so I can go for years. :-)

[The First Aria]

Always start with the lowest dosage rates first.  There are several reasons, but the main one is every person's body reacts differently to dosage, Herb being used and of course general health of that person.  I always followed the following 2 rules!  1.  Only up the rate after 2-4 weeks.  Any quicker than that you really cant tell a difference.  2.  More is NOT better necessarily.  You can drive your excess Estrogen to be converted to, what no one who wants to feminize, Testosterone!
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I've ordered all of these products from Amazon. I guess I'll just start off with 550mg of PM and one pill each of the others, once per day, then after 14 days I'll double up and keep it like that until I see meaningful change and/or still feel good enough to continue. As you say, start with the lowest levels. I am in no specific rush and the products are cheap, so I can go for years. :-)
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In some peeps, it could take up to 3 months to physically notice any difference.  For me, it was more of a "feeling" that something was happening long before a tape measure of a picture proved me right.  

BTW, is that a real picture of you on your Avatar? If so, you look GREAT and are already ahead of the game, in that way!

[Beverley50]

Always start with the lowest dosage rates first.  There are several reasons, but the main one is every person's body reacts differently to dosage, Herb being used and of course general health of that person.  I always followed the following 2 rules!  1.  Only up the rate after 2-4 weeks.  Any quicker than that you really cant tell a difference.  2.  More is NOT better necessarily.  You can drive your excess Estrogen to be converted to, what no one who wants to feminize, Testosterone!

I've ordered all of these products from Amazon. I guess I'll just start off with 550mg of PM and one pill each of the others, once per day, then after 14 days I'll double up and keep it like that until I see meaningful change and/or still feel good enough to continue. As you say, start with the lowest levels. I am in no specific rush and the products are cheap, so I can go for years. :-)
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In some peeps, it could take up to 3 months to physically notice any difference.  For me, it was more of a "feeling" that something was happening long before a tape measure of a picture proved me right.  

BTW, is that a real picture of you on your Avatar?  If so, you look GREAT and are already ahead of the game, in that way!
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Thanks. I'll follow your advice.

And yes, my avatar is really me. I have been crossdressing since my early twenties and have lots of nice dresses, tops and jewellery to match. This particular pic was taken, as part of a portfolio, by the house photographer of the home business in New Jersey that helps me with makeup, hair and nails on afternoons before my regular get-togethers with my close-knit group of likeminded "girls" on weekends. I'm standing in front of the exit gate in their parking lot, ready to go. This was in October sometime. I'll send you the full pic if you want to see what's possible.

[The First Aria]

Always start with the lowest dosage rates first.  There are several reasons, but the main one is every person's body reacts differently to dosage, Herb being used and of course general health of that person.  I always followed the following 2 rules!  1.  Only up the rate after 2-4 weeks.  Any quicker than that you really cant tell a difference.  2.  More is NOT better necessarily.  You can drive your excess Estrogen to be converted to, what no one who wants to feminize, Testosterone!

I've ordered all of these products from Amazon. I guess I'll just start off with 550mg of PM and one pill each of the others, once per day, then after 14 days I'll double up and keep it like that until I see meaningful change and/or still feel good enough to continue. As you say, start with the lowest levels. I am in no specific rush and the products are cheap, so I can go for years. :-)

In some peeps, it could take up to 3 months to physically notice any difference.  For me, it was more of a "feeling" that something was happening long before a tape measure of a picture proved me right.  

BTW, is that a real picture of you on your Avatar?  If so, you look GREAT and are already ahead of the game, in that way!
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Thanks. I'll follow your advice.

And yes, my avatar is really me. I have been crossdressing since my early twenties and have lots of nice dresses, tops and jewellery to match. This particular pic was taken, as part of a portfolio, by the house photographer of the home business in New Jersey that helps me with makeup, hair and nails on afternoons before my regular get-togethers with my close-knit group of likeminded "girls" on weekends. I'm standing in front of the exit gate in their parking lot, ready to go. This was in October sometime. I'll send you the full pic if you want to see what's possible.
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I don't know if you have started a picture page here, but I am sure I would not be the only one interested....  I've been cross dressing for years, been on HRT for a little over 2 yrs and just recently been out en femme in public.  So, I am trying to master the art form as best as possible.  I have one lady who has been helping with makeup, etc.  But still a rookie.

[Beverley50]

Always start with the lowest dosage rates first.  There are several reasons, but the main one is every person's body reacts differently to dosage, Herb being used and of course general health of that person.  I always followed the following 2 rules!  1.  Only up the rate after 2-4 weeks.  Any quicker than that you really cant tell a difference.  2.  More is NOT better necessarily.  You can drive your excess Estrogen to be converted to, what no one who wants to feminize, Testosterone!

I've ordered all of these products from Amazon. I guess I'll just start off with 550mg of PM and one pill each of the others, once per day, then after 14 days I'll double up and keep it like that until I see meaningful change and/or still feel good enough to continue. As you say, start with the lowest levels. I am in no specific rush and the products are cheap, so I can go for years. :-)

In some peeps, it could take up to 3 months to physically notice any difference.  For me, it was more of a "feeling" that something was happening long before a tape measure of a picture proved me right.  

BTW, is that a real picture of you on your Avatar?  If so, you look GREAT and are already ahead of the game, in that way!

Thanks. I'll follow your advice.

And yes, my avatar is really me. I have been crossdressing since my early twenties and have lots of nice dresses, tops and jewellery to match. This particular pic was taken, as part of a portfolio, by the house photographer of the home business in New Jersey that helps me with makeup, hair and nails on afternoons before my regular get-togethers with my close-knit group of likeminded "girls" on weekends. I'm standing in front of the exit gate in their parking lot, ready to go. This was in October sometime. I'll send you the full pic if you want to see what's possible.
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I don't know if you have started a picture page here, but I am sure I would not be the only one interested....  I've been cross dressing for years, been on HRT for a little over 2 yrs and just recently been out en femme in public.  So, I am trying to master the art form as best as possible.  I have one lady who has been helping with makeup, etc.  But still a rookie.
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No, no picture page from me. I don't want to put my whole life on a forum that is viewed by thousands.  Once I have significant breast growth, and I'm pleased with what I see, I will post pictures, for everyone here to share, compare and comment about, but that's about it. I'll share in a private message yes.

What I can tell you about crossdressing is to be confident when you dress up, and to own who you are. I never cross-dress extravagantly, never wear high stilettos or shiny outfits, tight latex or the like. I'm going on 51. My approach has always been to imitate the office working girl, and what she would wear if she knew she was going to an after-work dinner date, or just any occasion where she has to consider day-wear AND evening-wear, all in one. So NO heels higher than 2 1/2 - 3 inches, skirts with a blouse, with a knitted top loose, etc. Never wear only one garment on top, layers are good. In my case it has mostly been: 1-inch breast-forms under sports bra, then tight sleeveless vest, with looser t-shirt or button op, and cardigan or open knitted top. You can do this in a variety of styles and colors, and still look great. I love knee-length skirts (don't like my knees), it is not revealing and your shoes can look real good over hose. I know its quite a thing to wear skinny denim, however then you will have to do tucking and start wearing gaffs. I never wear denims in girl mode, and I get a perfect look just by wearing Nike women's sport compression underwear, not the pantie style but the longer brief style.

For me personally it is very important NOT to look like a tart or hooker, or glamorous. It is my aim to blend in like a regular woman, to wear minimal makeup, and to be accepted for a woman, at more than a fleeting glance, in daily life. It is impossible to hide completely as a male when talking to someone. They will know very quickly, but if you wear it well with your demeanor, women will compliment you and tell you that they love who you are. Women are like that. Men won't bother, unless you're in the south . . . or Dallas.  The bible belt can be extremely unforgiving and expect negative comments from men if they notice. (personal experience here). Men also look because they like what they see. Just avoid eye contact. Peripheral vision is important to maintain.

[notquitemale]

Always start with the lowest dosage rates first.  There are several reasons, but the main one is every person's body reacts differently to dosage, Herb being used and of course general health of that person.  I always followed the following 2 rules!  1.  Only up the rate after 2-4 weeks.  Any quicker than that you really cant tell a difference.  2.  More is NOT better necessarily.  You can drive your excess Estrogen to be converted to, what no one who wants to feminize, Testosterone!

I've ordered all of these products from Amazon. I guess I'll just start off with 550mg of PM and one pill each of the others, once per day, then after 14 days I'll double up and keep it like that until I see meaningful change and/or still feel good enough to continue. As you say, start with the lowest levels. I am in no specific rush and the products are cheap, so I can go for years. :-)

In some peeps, it could take up to 3 months to physically notice any difference.  For me, it was more of a "feeling" that something was happening long before a tape measure of a picture proved me right.  

BTW, is that a real picture of you on your Avatar?  If so, you look GREAT and are already ahead of the game, in that way!

Thanks. I'll follow your advice.

And yes, my avatar is really me. I have been crossdressing since my early twenties and have lots of nice dresses, tops and jewellery to match. This particular pic was taken, as part of a portfolio, by the house photographer of the home business in New Jersey that helps me with makeup, hair and nails on afternoons before my regular get-togethers with my close-knit group of likeminded "girls" on weekends. I'm standing in front of the exit gate in their parking lot, ready to go. This was in October sometime. I'll send you the full pic if you want to see what's possible.

I don't know if you have started a picture page here, but I am sure I would not be the only one interested....  I've been cross dressing for years, been on HRT for a little over 2 yrs and just recently been out en femme in public.  So, I am trying to master the art form as best as possible.  I have one lady who has been helping with makeup, etc.  But still a rookie.
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No, no picture page from me. I don't want to put my whole life on a forum that is viewed by thousands.  Once I have significant breast growth, and I'm pleased with what I see, I will post pictures, for everyone here to share, compare and comment about, but that's about it. I'll share in a private message yes.

What I can tell you about crossdressing is to be confident when you dress up, and to own who you are. I never cross-dress extravagantly, never wear high stilettos or shiny outfits, tight latex or the like. I'm going on 51. My approach has always been to  imitate the office working girl, and what she would wear if she knew she was going to an after-work dinner date, or just any occasion where she has to consider day-wear AND evening-wear, all in one. So NO heels higher than 2 1/2 - 3 inches, skirts with a blouse, with a knitted top loose, etc. Never wear only one garment on top, layers are good. In my case it has mostly been: 1-inch breast-forms under sports bra, then tight sleeveless vest, with looser t-shirt or button op, and cardigan or open knitted top. You can do this in a variety of styles and colors, and still look great. I love knee-length skirts (don't like my knees), it is not revealing and your shoes can look real good over hose. I know its quite a thing to wear skinny denim, however then you will have to do tucking and start wearing gaffs. I never wear denims in girl mode, and I get a perfect look just by wearing Nike women's sport compression underwear, not the pantie style but the longer brief style.

For me personally it is very important NOT to look like a tart or hooker, or glamorous. It is my aim to blend in like a regular woman, to wear minimal makeup, and to be accepted for a woman, at more than a  fleeting glance, in daily life. It is impossible to hide completely as a male when talking to someone. They will know very quickly, but  if you wear it well with your demeanor, women will compliment you and tell you that they love who you are. Women are like that. Men won't bother, unless you're in the south . . . or Dallas.  The bible belt can be extremely unforgiving and expect negative comments from men if they notice. (personal experience here). Men also look because they like what they see. Just avoid eye contact. Peripheral vision is important to maintain.
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Thanks for sharing your insights Beverly. I love your saying "own who you are". For me I remain in male mode even though I often dress in a feminine way like leggings and tshirt with a women's boot or shoe. I wear women's jackets that do not hide my development but naturally accent it. Your advice about  owning it and demeanor and advice about eye contact  are right on. Daily I keep a confident air and a smile and have no problems either. You are right I find women readily return my smile and even start a conversation. Keep confident in who you are and most people are accepting.

[ladyboy_in_da_cocoon]

Dear,
Get a psychologist and a proper hormone doctor 
Natural pytho and bovine extracts are not strong enough to create passable t-girls
You can see my recent post in this forum on my own natural breasts development.  They still do not create a passable girl. Which is the whole point of transitioning
Dont use natural products more than a year.. maybe for a year its great to test how it feels to be a girl - which is the path I took a growing some boobs and getting greater skin and some butt shape .. but then stop and get on to the real thing.

[Beverley50]

Dear,
Get a psychologist and a proper hormone doctor 
Natural pytho and bovine extracts are not strong enough to create passable t-girls
You can see my recent post in this forum on my own natural breasts development.  They still do not create a passable girl. Which is the whole point of transitioning
Dont use natural products more than a year.. maybe for a year its great to test how it feels to be a girl - which is the path I took a growing some boobs and getting greater skin and some butt shape .. but then stop and get on to the real thing.

Yes I agree, however, in my personal opinion, it depends upon the person. Some people are so unhappy with their gender identity that it affects their entire lives negatively. I am of the opinion that if you are young enough (preferably under 20), then go for it 100%. Do the transition the proper way, under medical supervision, have the op and do the treatments required to do it right, without harming yourself. Then you will be able to start your adult life and build long-term relationships, change your identity docs, and have everything in place before you start your life journey, a journey that will include investments, bank accounts, and all of the various institutions that we deal with as we go through life.

For those of us (me included) who are older, it is an entire different story. I regret not having the "sex-change" operation when I was in my teens. However it was a different time, a different situation, I grew up in an environment with little tolerance for wider thinking, I was small, I was afraid and had little confidence. Most of all there would have been no money to finance such a transition, and I would be laughed at. Now I am pushing 51, I look at myself in the mirror and if I'm honest with myself I will have to admit that the time to do a full transition is long behind me, even though I can fund a full transition 100 times over. I am of the opinion that older males do not transition well, and they never own who they are. They end up operating in smaller circles, and always unhappy with things and complaining about something, are frequently alone, or with very few people around them. Most people from their earlier lives are no longer in their circle of friends because they don't identify with one another anymore. I see them in my cross-dressing group when we get together (about 25 of us, it varies), a few of whom have transitioned fully, including the operations and what not. All of them are awkward in their new shells. They are trying, but they still move like men, the walk like men, they smoke like men, they have male voices that won't change, as much as they try, and their limbs look awkward in female clothing. We talk about it often, and practice certain movements and behaviors. But it is difficult. You have to think about it all the time when you're older when in public (I suppose it is easier for me since I have been cross-dressing for 30 years now and have a lot of experience with presentation myself as a woman).

It is difficult I know. You question yourself all the time. It is my personal opinion that it is OK for "older" girls to experiment with herbs to bring about physical change and to stop and start when they feel like it, but the youngsters shouldn't. It will create a lot of confusion, and prevent them from developing their lives, since they'll be neither here nor there. Ideally they should make the decisions early, before their real life journey starts, to avoid confusion and misery. I know this now because I still feel the same way today than what I did 35 years ago, about being a woman, and not a man. But I'm totally cool with who I am.

If you're in your teens or early 20's, I suggest to go see a good doctor, initiate the process, do the evaluations, do the shrink visits, the therapy, and if these all point in the right direction, and you still feel the same in your heart, then do it the proper surgical way. However it is expensive, with years of required expensive medication afterwards.

Feel free to comment. Your thoughts will be welcome.