(22-02-2025, 08:04 PM)wee2er Wrote: I really do think that you are one of the lucky ones
We'll see I guess. I might stop after the first bottle to see if there are any long term or permanent effects and then reevaluate and start again.
The thought of it being highly effective for me has me a little scared. I can see how stopping for some people becomes difficult. Even now, just feeling the admittedly mild effects and the aches brings me a certain level of satisfaction I was not expecting.
I'm just focused on the first few weeks at the moment.
This post was last modified: 22-02-2025, 11:19 PM by Curious_AJ.
I'm not surprised with the quick changes you are experiencing.
Sounds like you may have started budding beforehand and BO has prompted more, if so these will not disappear.
I re-evaluate what I'm doing every few months and find that works well for me, so it's a good plan to take a break and see how things are.
Sounds like you may have started budding beforehand and BO has prompted more, if so these will not disappear.
I re-evaluate what I'm doing every few months and find that works well for me, so it's a good plan to take a break and see how things are.
Thanks again wee2er, for all of your responses.
Like I kind of mentioned before, I was 75 lbs heavier as a teenager. I had sore puffy nipples in middle school that I was very self conscious of even to the point of wearing band aids or tape to keep them flat. Looking back on it, I guess that was probably the budding phase for me. I was on a lot of steroids and medications as a child for asthma and respiratory infections and I wonder if that didn't cause some of the development.
Eventually, I started bodybuilding and weightlifting and got enough muscle tone that the gynecomastia was pretty much not noticeable if I kept my bf % low. If I started to gain weight though, my nipples would get puffy again. For the last 5
4-5 years, I've maintained the lightest body weight I've been since I was 13 so the new puffiness is noticeable to me.
Days 4 and 5 were both 2x250mg of BO taken late morning and night with the rest of my typical multivitamin and liver support supplements.
Yesterday, day 5, I did have the sensation of very slight soreness and pressure in both nipples but touching them or lightly squeezing them didn't result in any additional sensation. The pea sized, firm, rubbery nodules that have appeared since I've started BO are present under both nipples ~0.5 inches beneath the skin surface.
This morning, day 6, I awoke with a typical morning erection but it was maybe only at half staff and went away pretty quickly. My random daytime erections were similar yesterday in that they happened but never got to full hardness.
I am going to get some pictures taken and posted today hopefully. I probably should have gotten some before I started anything, but I was under the impression that I had more time before I'd see or feel anything.
Like I kind of mentioned before, I was 75 lbs heavier as a teenager. I had sore puffy nipples in middle school that I was very self conscious of even to the point of wearing band aids or tape to keep them flat. Looking back on it, I guess that was probably the budding phase for me. I was on a lot of steroids and medications as a child for asthma and respiratory infections and I wonder if that didn't cause some of the development.
Eventually, I started bodybuilding and weightlifting and got enough muscle tone that the gynecomastia was pretty much not noticeable if I kept my bf % low. If I started to gain weight though, my nipples would get puffy again. For the last 5
4-5 years, I've maintained the lightest body weight I've been since I was 13 so the new puffiness is noticeable to me.
Days 4 and 5 were both 2x250mg of BO taken late morning and night with the rest of my typical multivitamin and liver support supplements.
Yesterday, day 5, I did have the sensation of very slight soreness and pressure in both nipples but touching them or lightly squeezing them didn't result in any additional sensation. The pea sized, firm, rubbery nodules that have appeared since I've started BO are present under both nipples ~0.5 inches beneath the skin surface.
This morning, day 6, I awoke with a typical morning erection but it was maybe only at half staff and went away pretty quickly. My random daytime erections were similar yesterday in that they happened but never got to full hardness.
I am going to get some pictures taken and posted today hopefully. I probably should have gotten some before I started anything, but I was under the impression that I had more time before I'd see or feel anything.
Hi
There many members who have used various methods some with good results some not, my opinion is read the post's then take a view of what you would think suits you.
Wee2er is a good source of information listen to the advcie given, one thing wee2er said was do not chase numbers because BO does not lower T as such, it needs to turn T into E, so your reading might come back not as expected.
Also the time of day for blood draw makes a difference.
Also chasing numbers can mess with your head as did for me, as advised chill and let it happen, CIS women take up to 7 years from puberty to fully develop, so BO gives you a seccond puberty you can guess the rest.
Now BO as Wee2er says it does not work for everyone, even though you have no side effects does not mean there will not be any, again take it slowly Wee2er said listen to your body
Ian
There many members who have used various methods some with good results some not, my opinion is read the post's then take a view of what you would think suits you.
Wee2er is a good source of information listen to the advcie given, one thing wee2er said was do not chase numbers because BO does not lower T as such, it needs to turn T into E, so your reading might come back not as expected.
Also the time of day for blood draw makes a difference.
Also chasing numbers can mess with your head as did for me, as advised chill and let it happen, CIS women take up to 7 years from puberty to fully develop, so BO gives you a seccond puberty you can guess the rest.
Now BO as Wee2er says it does not work for everyone, even though you have no side effects does not mean there will not be any, again take it slowly Wee2er said listen to your body
Ian
Thanks IanW55, I appreciate your advice.
My blood work was already scheduled and is a full CBC, metabolic, lipid and T panel. It has nothing at all to do with me taking BO. I have no intent on chasing numbers with blood work as, after reading the many posts here about BO, I'm not even sure what specific levels of T (or E for that matter ) I would be chasing. Like you mentioned, T is required for BO to work.
I'm mainly interested in if there are any patterns that develop while taking BO and if it does or doesn't work on me, why that may be the case. Somehow, treating my decision to finally take action to address decades of dysphoria as a somewhat controlled scientific endeavor, is making it easier to process.
As far as other methods go, oral PM with the potential clotting and liver issues scare me. I am a recovering alcoholic and fortunately managed to escape any long term damage but I make it a priority to care for my liver.
My blood work was already scheduled and is a full CBC, metabolic, lipid and T panel. It has nothing at all to do with me taking BO. I have no intent on chasing numbers with blood work as, after reading the many posts here about BO, I'm not even sure what specific levels of T (or E for that matter ) I would be chasing. Like you mentioned, T is required for BO to work.
I'm mainly interested in if there are any patterns that develop while taking BO and if it does or doesn't work on me, why that may be the case. Somehow, treating my decision to finally take action to address decades of dysphoria as a somewhat controlled scientific endeavor, is making it easier to process.
As far as other methods go, oral PM with the potential clotting and liver issues scare me. I am a recovering alcoholic and fortunately managed to escape any long term damage but I make it a priority to care for my liver.
Pictures as promised. I failed to take any prior to starting BO but here is where it sits at the end of Day 6. I included a few of my overall torso to compare body fat levels.
One picture shows where I am pinching the flesh over a flexed pec muscle to illustrate the overlying tissue. The other shows me pinching the rubbery nodule directly beneath the nipple. The area between the nipple and the armpit was softer prior to starting BO and it was easier to feel the fibrous tissue. At this point, it is noticeably firmer and requires more effort to feel for the fibrous tissue radiating outward from the nipple.
There is an additional photo looking straight up at the underside of my chest to get an idea of general shape.
I apologize for the poor quality, I have never claimed to be a photographer.
One picture shows where I am pinching the flesh over a flexed pec muscle to illustrate the overlying tissue. The other shows me pinching the rubbery nodule directly beneath the nipple. The area between the nipple and the armpit was softer prior to starting BO and it was easier to feel the fibrous tissue. At this point, it is noticeably firmer and requires more effort to feel for the fibrous tissue radiating outward from the nipple.
There is an additional photo looking straight up at the underside of my chest to get an idea of general shape.
I apologize for the poor quality, I have never claimed to be a photographer.
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This post was last modified: 24-02-2025, 06:29 AM by Curious_AJ.
Adding the last one.
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Day 6 and 7 update.
2x250mg late morning and night.
Starting on day 6, after the morning dose, the testicle ache became more pronounced. Not in any way too extreme and more focused on my left one, but definitely noticeable.
Also of note, I got my first comment from my SO about my puffy nipples. I was walking around in my undershirt and they were clearly sticking out of my shirt while not erect. That typically only happens if I am about 10-15 lbs heavier than I am currently. I definitely can't attribute it to overall weight gain as I have been watching what I eat closely and have been visibly dropping body fat.
Erections have been mostly non-existent on days 6 and 7. The few times I've started with one, it subsides quickly. For science, I was able to maintain one with more effort than normal and finish to completion. It definitely felt a little different than normal with the sensation being "spread out" more. Ejaculate appeared normal.
Last night (day 7) after taking my evening dose, I felt like my heart was pounding and I felt very restless. I hardly got any sleep and woke up sick. I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with the BO and is just a viral bug that's going around but I am taking today off from BO.
After only a week, I am a firm believer in BO. So much so that I'm not sure if I'm going to continue at this dosage. The effects have come on harder and faster than it seems I was prepared for. If I do continue to take it, it will probably be a lower dose but I'm going to let whatever bug I have run it's course before restarting.
2x250mg late morning and night.
Starting on day 6, after the morning dose, the testicle ache became more pronounced. Not in any way too extreme and more focused on my left one, but definitely noticeable.
Also of note, I got my first comment from my SO about my puffy nipples. I was walking around in my undershirt and they were clearly sticking out of my shirt while not erect. That typically only happens if I am about 10-15 lbs heavier than I am currently. I definitely can't attribute it to overall weight gain as I have been watching what I eat closely and have been visibly dropping body fat.
Erections have been mostly non-existent on days 6 and 7. The few times I've started with one, it subsides quickly. For science, I was able to maintain one with more effort than normal and finish to completion. It definitely felt a little different than normal with the sensation being "spread out" more. Ejaculate appeared normal.
Last night (day 7) after taking my evening dose, I felt like my heart was pounding and I felt very restless. I hardly got any sleep and woke up sick. I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with the BO and is just a viral bug that's going around but I am taking today off from BO.
After only a week, I am a firm believer in BO. So much so that I'm not sure if I'm going to continue at this dosage. The effects have come on harder and faster than it seems I was prepared for. If I do continue to take it, it will probably be a lower dose but I'm going to let whatever bug I have run it's course before restarting.
Any news? Was super interesting to read. Did you stop?
I was pretty sick for two days this week so day 7 was my last dose of BO. The end result was 1000mg a day taken in 2 separate 500mg doses over each of 7 days.
Since then, the testicle ache has decreased to almost nothing and morning erections have returned. Nipple puffiness has decreased as well.
Overall, I'm convinced BO works for me. I was not expecting any noticable changes in a week but there were too many effects that I felt and saw to attribute it to coincidence.
From a scientific perspective, I realize this little experiment was far too short and had nowhere near enough data to draw any substantial conclusions.
Why did it work for me and not others? Hard to say. I think I'm pretty average but clearly something in my body chemistry is conducive to the effects of BO.
Do I think there is a BO point of no return? Based off of it's mechanism of function, I'm sure for some people there is. I also think you have to use it for quite some time and be experiencing rather noticeable effects before you get to that point. But then again who knows for sure. I do recall Lotus making a comment about how BO causes epigenetic changes.
I am taking a break from actively pursuing NBE at this time. I was not prepared for the rapid onset of effects or for the realization of how satisfied I was with those changes. I'm certain I'll try NBE again and maybe even try BO again but with more preparation next time.
Since then, the testicle ache has decreased to almost nothing and morning erections have returned. Nipple puffiness has decreased as well.
Overall, I'm convinced BO works for me. I was not expecting any noticable changes in a week but there were too many effects that I felt and saw to attribute it to coincidence.
From a scientific perspective, I realize this little experiment was far too short and had nowhere near enough data to draw any substantial conclusions.
Why did it work for me and not others? Hard to say. I think I'm pretty average but clearly something in my body chemistry is conducive to the effects of BO.
Do I think there is a BO point of no return? Based off of it's mechanism of function, I'm sure for some people there is. I also think you have to use it for quite some time and be experiencing rather noticeable effects before you get to that point. But then again who knows for sure. I do recall Lotus making a comment about how BO causes epigenetic changes.
I am taking a break from actively pursuing NBE at this time. I was not prepared for the rapid onset of effects or for the realization of how satisfied I was with those changes. I'm certain I'll try NBE again and maybe even try BO again but with more preparation next time.
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